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At The Feast Of Tabernacles
Maitreya: We are going to talk about the fifth seal and see how God
directed it so that we know about it.
As usual, the question is, when did the fifth seal start? When
did it really start? It started in eternity. Why did it start in
eternity? It started in eternity because it is a part of the Eternal Divine Path. As the
Eternal Divine Path is
eternal, so each seal in it is also eternal.
God already knew that He was going to reveal the fifth seal to
humanity. The whole plan was already in the eternal level, in God’s
Mind, the Universal Mind. All the seals are in God’s Mind. So it
started in eternity. It has been there, it is there, and it is going
to be there forever.
Who was the first spiritual teacher of humanity? It was Adam. Who
was Adam? He was the First Begotten Son, the Spirit of God who came
to humanity as The Teacher. He always reveals the seals and
the teachings to humanity, and brings new revelations. As Krishna
said in the Bhagavad-Gita, When morality is low and humanity
needs guidance, My Spirit will arise on earth.
That same Spirit comes over and over again. That is the reason in
it says: He is the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega. He
is the revealer of the revelations and the new teachings to
But when did spirituality really start for the present humans? Do
you remember in THOTH God said, "Let there be light?"
The light went through the Eternal Divine Path, reached the
light, and he came back as a human teacher. Then of course, he
brought the teaching of the
Eternal Divine Path to humanity.
Humans weren’t really in these physical bodies. They were more in
their ethereal bodies. Eventually they fell and fell and fell and
fell, as it is explained in THOTH, until they received
these human bodies. Later on their third eyes were also closed, and
the new human was created, which was mostly intellect.
Most of the humans don’t even know they have the third eye. They
don’t know how to look at things from the spiritual point of view,
but they look from their two physical eyes. Whatever they see
outside is the reality to them. That is what they take as the
Eventually they became so low that God had to reveal the teaching
for humanity to a very few Elects. That was when Noah brought those
rituals of burning the flesh. God created a rainbow and He said,
"Any time I want to destroy the earth with rain, I will put a
rainbow in the sky and it will remind me that I promised Noah that I
will not destroy it by water."
So the first seal, which is the Mystical Paths, was revealed to
humanity through Noah, and of course, through his sons and all their
children. They were the people who settled in Egypt, India and
different places on the earth. They eventually became the spiritual
teachers for humanity. That created the first seal.
God had more than just the Mystical Paths. He had to reveal the
second part to humanity. How did he reveal the second part? He chose
Abram (Abraham), of course, a long time after the first seal was
revealed. Humanity was divided into different kinds of people, the
Vipras (intellectuals), the Shudras (workers), the Ksattriyas
(warriors), and all that (read THOTH
for more information). Eventually from the spiritual branch (Shem),
He chose Abraham as a Chosen Person.
Most people know the story of Abram (Abraham) and his children.
God told Abraham to leave his family, not to go back to his country,
to stay in the United States, and teach the Eternal Divine Path
(laughter). There is a similarity there, isn’t there? He said, "You
can’t go back to your home. You have to stay here to teach this
teaching." So Abram (Abraham) had to obey. He took his wife and
everything, and left. Eventually he had two children, Ishmael and
Isaac, and the story goes on.
God blessed Abram first, then He changed his name to Abraham
later on. Of course, we know the Children of Abram (through Ishmael)
became the Arabs, who covered Saudi Arabia, all through most of the
Middle East, North Africa, and all the way to South America. They
are all the Children of Ishmael.
Later on, He also blessed the Children of Israel, and they became
the Hebrews. They were divided into twelve tribes. We talked about
this in previous lectures, last year when we spoke about Islam, and
the year before when we spoke about Christianity.
So the Children of Israel became the people who live in Israel,
north towards the West, all the way to Europe and the United States.
They are the Children of Israel.
Where do the Children of Israel meet the Children of Ishmael? It
is in New Mexico! Who are in South America and Mexico? They are the
Children of Ishmael. Who are in North America? They are Children of
Israel. So New Mexico is a meeting place, we are in a place where
these two children meet one another.
Question: Maitreya-ji, is it that South American has the
Spanish people, and they, from Spain, are part of the Children of
Ishmael, because they were mixed with the Arabs?
Maitreya: Yes. The Arabs are pretty good at making
children, because the men can have as many wives as they want. Also
that was permitted by God to spread the seed of the Arabs and the
The Arabs were in Spain for 200 years, and that is why a lot of
Spanish people have Arab blood in them. Even some of their names are
still Arabic, their culture, and their buildings made of adobe, were
influenced by the Arabs.
There is an Arabic (Islamic) Center in Abique, in northern New
Mexico, which is almost like a Spanish building. It is a little
different, but of course, you would expect for it to change a bit as
it goes through the evolution, influence of different cultures in
time, etc. Also Spanish people were influenced by the European
culture. After the Christians eventually conquered Spain, the
Christians took over and the European culture came into it. So there
was the influence of Europe in it too. Also the Arabic Culture
stayed with them.
That is why they even have the name Mansor, a Spanish last name,
which comes from Nasr and NasserAkhbaries, which is completely Arabic. Or,
they have Our Lady of Fatima. Fatima was the daughter of Prophet
Muhammad, and they have Our Lady of Fatima as one of their Saints.
So you can see that there was a lot of Arabic influence there. Also
their facial features – Spanish people and Arabic people look
So in that way, what God promised Ishmael, also was fulfilled.
Not only did they come from Arabia and went to North Africa, but
also they went all the way to South America.
Question: The lost tribes of Israel came to North America?
Maitreya: Yes. When the Children of Israel had to leave,
because the Assyrians were coming, they couldn’t go to the south,
because Egypt (their enemy) was there. They couldn’t go to the east,
because the Assyrians were there, and they were also their enemy.
They couldn’t go northeast, there was the Caspian Sea. So the only
place they could go was a little north and west. If you study the Book of Mormon, that is exactly what it says happened to those
Israelites. They left Israel before the Assyrians came and destroyed
them completely. They mostly came to the west.
We can see that those people went to Europe, and settled there.
Actually some people say that the Kings of England are from one of
the sons of the people of Israel (lineage of King David). That is
what they are trying to say, because God said His (David’s) Kingdom
was going to stay with Israel forever and ever. So they are trying
to connect the kingdom of England to the Children of Israel and
conclude that God’s promise came through and kings continued coming
from the Children of Israel.
Back to our lecture, God changed the name of Abram to Abraham,
and He gave him a promise. The promise was the material blessing and
the sceptre. The material blessing is the territory that we said He
promised to give the Children of Israel, a large territory. They
went all the way to Europe and the United States.
He also promised the same thing to the Arabs. Arabs are all the
way from Saudi Arabia to North Africa, to Spain and to South
America. So He fulfilled His promises.
Those are the second and third seals. See that is how history
should be taught to the children, according to the Plan of God. If
they teach history according to the Plan of God, it will make more
sense, and it will be much easier for all the cultures to mix
together and see how they are related to one another.
If you truly study it, as we said, Spain was under the influence
of the Arabs for 200 years. Actually, Europeans traveled from Europe
to India, and that is why if you look at the people in India, the
people in Northern India are whiter in color than the people in
Southern India. That is because the Indian continent actually came
from Africa. It was disconnected from Africa and went underneath the
continent of Asia. And still it is pushing the continent of Asia to
a higher and higher level. That is how the Himalayas were created,
and they are still rising.
So the people who came from that land were dark-skinned. Then
when it went underneath the Asian continent and started pushing it
up, the Europeans came from Europe and went to India, to Persia, and
to Assyria. That is where Abraham came from and the whole story
The original European language, which you can find mostly in
Ireland, is the kind of language that they used. That language came
and mixed with the Indian language, which was a Semitic language,
African language, etc (of course not the exact dialog). The meeting
of these two languages created a new language (Indo-European).
They both were influenced by one another. That language
eventually influenced the Hebrew and Arabic languages. The Hebrew
language is very close to Arabic, because Isaac (children of Israel)
and Ishmael (Arabs) are brothers, both are from Abram (Abraham). If
you now study Hebrew and Arabic, you see so many similarities. Both
write from right to left. Both have a lot of words the same, etc.
Later, this language circulated back to Europe. The Hebrews came
to Europe. Also the Arabs went to North Africa and they went all the
way to Spain. The Spanish language was greatly influenced by Arabic,
and then from the Spanish language and European language, French
If you study French, it is very close to Spanish. Actually you
told me that (to R.D.). You said that they have a Latin root. But
really both Spanish and French have been very much influenced by the
Arabic language. The Arabic language is very powerful. They also
have male and female for each name, like French and German.
When the French conquered England, French became the cultural
language of the English people. After awhile, if you were a noble
person in England, you should have known French. There was a great
influence of the French language to English, but of course English
eventually evolved itself into a completely separate language which
carried the influence from French and other languages in it.
That is why now we say that we want to have an international
language. My recommendation is that everyone should learn English,
so that we can all communicate in one language, at least. And the
people whose native language is English, I recommend that they also
learn another language besides English. Any language you learn, it
opens a new world to you.
As people learn different languages, they will mix with each
other, and they will come up with a new language that is going to be
much more powerful than any language we now have on earth.
So we can see that culturally, everything is interrelated. There
is no separation between cultures. No culture is an "island." No one
can say, "We kept this culture isolated, and we never mixed with
anyone else." That is an illusion. Indeed, God may create wars just
to mix cultures together, as He has done before.
Why do all these wars happen? What happens in the wars? There is
destruction, but also people become mixed culturally. We don’t need
that any more (I hope). We can culturally mix now without wars and
destruction, with tourism, traveling, going to other cultures for
This is the way history has to be taught to humanity, so people
can see how they are mixed culturally. Also they can start to
understand one another in a deeper level. We have never had as much
communication and fast transportation as we have now. But now it is
very easy to mix, study and become familiar with one another.
The Children of Abraham, the Children of Israel, were the second
seal. As we said, the Old Testament always talked about the
community, the tribes, and the twelve tribes of Israel. That is the
message of the second seal. It is the tribes, the families, and the
community. That is the base of His Kingdom. The community and the
family are the base of the Kingdom.
Then of course when Christ came, that was the third seal.
Also those blessings of the scepter and material blessing were
given to Prophet Muhammad. All these things were covered so far, in
the lectures in the previous years.
Now we are going to talk about what happened after Islam. Prophet
Muhammad had never chosen anyone as his successor before he died.
So, after Him, a problem of succession started in Islam.
The Arabs never choose a very young person as their leader.
Culturally you have to be mature, older, and a proven person in the
community and the tribe, before being chosen as their leader.
When Prophet Muhammad died there were some candidates to fill the
position of the leadership. There was Prophet Muhammad’s son-in-law,
Ali, who was the first person who converted to Islam. Ali married
Prophet Muhammad’s daughter, Fatima. There also was Abu-Baker
(friend and close disciple of the Prophet), and few others.
Also Iran (Persia) had not yet been conquered. There were a lot
of Persians who had converted to Islam, and who had been with
The Arabs were mostly nomads at that time. They had tents and a
few cities, but they never had any empires. But the Persians had the
Persian Empire and many Arabs, probably, worked for them. The
Persians, probably, did not consider Arabs as cultured, etc. So
there was kind of a cultural clash between the Persians and Arabs
from the very beginning, and probably there still is.
Because of that clash, the Persians politically tried to promote
Ali, the son-in-law of Prophet Muhammad, as the successor. But as we
said, the Arabs will not accept a very young man, and Ali was a
young person when Prophet Muhammad died.
These things are probably "Greek" to you because this is the
history of a culture that you have never studied about before. But
for our revelation, for understanding what happened later on, it is
very important to understand these things.
That is why the Middle East is such a mess, because there is such
a deep-rooted cultural background. They have so many different ideas
and interests, and they have a lot of clashes with one another.
The people who chose the leader eventually came up with another
one of Muhammad’s closest disciples, Abu-Baker. Abu-Baker was an old
man. He was probably the second person who converted to Islam. They
chose him and called him Caliph.
Abu-Baker gave up everything for Islam, and was a very prominent
personality in Islam. He was an old man as well. Because of these
factors, they chose him. But the other people (especially the
Persians) were saying, "No, Ali is the rightful person to be Caliph
because Ali is a part of Muhammad’s family."
Another cultural thing you can observe here is that Persians were
under the rule of kings for thousands of years. Kings and their sons
ruled their empires. It was a lineage succession that ruled them. So
when it came to a successor for Prophet Muhammad, the cultural
background came out. They said, "After Prophet Muhammad, the leader
should be someone from his family."
That is the very point of the two main branches of Islam that you
hear about, Sunni and Shia. I don’t know if you have heard about
those two branches. The Sunnis say, "We accept the leader according
to the decision of the community." The Shias say, "No, you have to
be in the lineage of Prophet Muhammad in order to occupy that
position." From that point on, of course, these two main branches
started in Islam. As they evolved, the differences also deepened.
Well, we can almost forget about the Sunnis in this lecture,
because they just accepted the situation, and they continued. Many
of them also came to believe a lot of things the Shias believed. For
example: Many Sunnis now believe in the Mehdi, as Shias do.
The Shias were divided into two branches, Ishmaelis and Imammies.
They both accepted Ali as "Imam." Imam means successor, means
representative, of Prophet Muhammad. When the Prophet died, the Imam
was his replacement. He is the one who is connected. No one else is
connected. So they called Ali, Imam.
Each time an Imam was chosen, he was killed. This continued until
the twelfth Imam. According to tradition, he vanished and no one
knows what happened to him. He is whom Muslims call the Mehdi and
are still waiting for him to return and establish an Islamic world,
according to their understandings.
The Ishmaelis believed that there is always an Imam present among
Muslims. So from that point on, each time they chose a leader he was
the Imam. But the Imammies said, "Yes, there is an Imam among us,
but he is the one that vanished." He is alive and is waiting for the
proper time to return. They said he went to occultation.
It is just like the Christians believe Christ is alive, and he
will return. They have the same kind of belief. It is not
resurrection. They say he will return, he is alive, somehow he is
occulted, he is hidden. He is the hidden Imam.
So the Shias became two branches, the Ishmaelis who always chose
someone as their Imam, and the Imammies who said, "Our Imam is going
The Ishmaelis’ Imam (leader) became very powerful. They are the
group who formed the Assassins. Have you heard about the Assassins?
These Assassins became so famous that even they were known in
Europe. They would go to Europe. They actually trained Assassins
from childhood. They would even teach the child, for instance,
French, and the French culture, and so on. When they were of the
right age, they would go to France. They would become so culturally
adapted, that no one would realize that they were not French.
They would train him to get into the system, and in the system he
would become close to the leadership. Then if the leadership would
not listen to the Assassins, the trained person would assassinate
They became so powerful that even European kings and others were
afraid of them. That is where the word "assassins" came from, from
the Ishmaelis. So, they eventually became Assassins, and they were
destroyed after the Mongols came and conquered Iran and Iraq.
But the Imammies continued, and they branched out. One branch was
called the Akhbaries. Akhbaries comes from the word khabar, which
means "news," or "story from the past."
Akhbaries were the people who said, "Our Imam is not here. Our
leader has vanished. How then can we guide ourselves?" What they did
was, they took the Koran and they took stories about how
Muhammad handled each situation (hadith, khabar, or news or stores),
and they tried to adapt those to every situation in day-to-day life.
Those were called the Akhbaries.
They dominated the Shia communities for a long time, until
probably close to the middle of the eighteenth or nineteenth
centuries when Europe became more intellectual dominating and more
scientific, based on using principles and experimental tools, and
coming to conclusions through analysis. It was then that a new
school of thought, probably influenced with ever-increasing European
influence, started in the Shia communities called Osulies. Osul
really comes from the root Asi or reaching a conclusion based on
So, these Osulies said, "No, we can’t just rely on the stories.
We can analyze every situation, and also listen to see what Prophet
Muhammad said or what happened in each situation, and then come to a
new conclusion." They started using the principle of analysis. Also,
after awhile, because they analyzed, discussed, argued (Dava) and
came up with a lot of conclusions, they felt that their laws and
Islam are perfect. They felt they didn’t need any more analysis and
discussions. What they have is now perfect.
In a sense they said, "That’s it. We don’t need to progress any
more." You see, the moment you say that, you are finished. You can
never say, "I’ve reached the ultimate goal," because God is
Infinite. Situations are infinite. You always have to meditate and
adapt yourself, forever.
That was when the Sufis appeared in Islam. It was like the
legalism killed the mysticism of Islam. That is when the Sufism
came, as the Spirit of Islam.
One of the things that was interesting about the Osulies was that
they created a system, and they created a kind of network. Then if
you reached a point, they called you an Authority. You would become
a Mujtahed. A Mujtahed was a person who would be supported with this
network. They would go to different cities, providences, etc, but
were also connected with this network. Eventually the Mujtaheds
became so powerful that they could issue Fatvahs. A Fatvah meant a
decree. When they would decree some thing, and that was the Word of
God. So this clergy class became very, very powerful.
Now probably you can understand a little bit about what happened
came. Khomani came and everyone started calling him
Imam Khomani. Imam means the representative of The Prophet and God,
and his word is the Word of God. For example, when Khomani decreed
that Samuel Rhashti should be killed, that was His (God’s) Word.
There is a truth in that. People who have to lead the community
should be the people who are connected to God. But they have to
emerge. They really should manifest that they are connected to God.
Otherwise what happens if absolute power is given to a person who
has ego? Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
So these Osulies became very powerful and also they became very
worldly. They also became very rich and corrupt. That is why another
group came, which was called the Shykhis. The Shykhis started from a
person named Shykh. These people believed that it is not enough just
to analyze, but you also have to have intuition. Intuitively you
have to be connected to the Spirit.
They really were influenced by the Ishmaelis, Akhbaries and
Sufis. They became a kind of mystical people who also realized that
not only do you have to meditate, but you also have to reach the
community and work with them.
Also there were two schools of thought in Islam, called Beerunee
and Dorunee. Beerunee means, "external world." Dorunee means, "internal
So Beerunee means the people who accepted everything externally,
who accepted the external world as the truth and never meditated, or
realized intuitive knowledge within. The Dorunee were the people who
were meditators and were trying to find the truth within themselves.
The Shykhis also believed in intuition, meditation, or realizing
the truth from within yourself. The Shykhis didn’t appear early in
Islam at all, but they started very late. They probably started at
the end of the 18th
century. They continued to preach the teaching, but the main branch
of Islam did not accept them. The Osulies became the most prominent
and dominant force, especially in Iran and where Shia Islam were
(such as south of Iraq).
Eventually Bab became a disciple or became connected to the
Shykhis. He started studying with them. Actually he went to Iraq and
visited them for a year. While he was there, he was such an
interesting person, that he made an deep impression on everyone.
Everyone remembered him.
The way he approached the Mosque they say was so much different
than anyone else was. He did it with such a respect, with such
devotion, and with such manners, that many remembered him just for
that. He was very different than everyone else in the Shykhis.
When the Shykhis started, of course, a lot of people also joined
them so God started preparing people. They started getting prepared
for the coming teaching and for the coming of Bab.
Now we’re going to talk a little about Bab’s background, what
kind of person he was, etc.
Bab was born in the city called Shiraz. Shiraz is a southern city
in Iran, it is very close to the Persian Gulf. The members of his
family were merchants in that city. We can see that Prophet Muhammad
also had a merchant background and was a master of caravans that he
took to Syria.
Khadija, the first wife of Prophet Muhammad, was a wealthy woman.
She had a lot of camels, and she owned the caravan. Muhammad, as
master of her caravan, took a couple of journeys for her. He was so
honest, that he was called the Trustworthy.
Bab was also from a merchant family. When his father died, he
started working toward becoming a merchant. Also he wasn’t very good
in school. He didn’t do very well in school. He was a dreamer kind
of student. He would daydream in school, and he wouldn’t listen.
Until the age of twenty-two or close to that, he studied being a
merchant. He was very honest. For instance, one time he made a
transaction with someone. Later, they brought the merchandise back.
Although the merchandise was used and misused, he took it back and
refunded the person’s money. It was a very unusual thing at that
time, because most of the merchants wouldn’t do that.
He was very proper in his books and how much he charged his
customers. He was very honest. After awhile he became very famous as
being trustworthy, just like Prophet Muhammad.
But at that age, suddenly he decided he didn’t want to be a
merchant any more. He felt a greater calling. He felt, "What is this
I am doing? This is not what I want to be." He became very
meditative and started studying the Scriptures, etc.
Eventually he closed his merchant business, paid everyone he
owed, and went to Iraq. One of the things about this area, in
southern Iraq, and still is, is that there are mostly Shias there.
In northern Iraq there are Sunnis.
Actually, as we remember in the last war, when the United States
attacked Iraq, the moment the people in southern Iraq felt that
Saddam Hussein was weakened, the Shias there rebelled against him.
Then of course, Saddam Hussein attacked them and brought them under
In Iraq, there are a lot of shrines and mosques that are very
sacred to the Shia Moslems. So there are a lot of cities that the
Shias go for study, education, worship, and to learn about Islam.
Bab closed his business and went to Iraq. He went there to join
those people and study with them. When he went to Iraq, he became
connected with the Shykhis. As we said, everyone soon knew him,
because he was so dedicated and his spirit was so different.
When his uncle heard that he had quit and left for Iraq, he
became very upset. His uncle was his partner in the merchant
business. Not only did he lose a good worker and partner, but also
he was upset that Bab closed the business without consulting him and
went to Iraq. He went to Iraq and eventually talked Bab into
returning to Shiraz with him.
When his uncle brought him to Shiraz, he found him a wife and got
him married. They felt, "If he is married, he will settle down and
concentrate on his work."
He started working again and being a merchant. But what he would
do was, in the evenings, he would go home and meditate, and would
start writing things. His wife would ask him, "What are you
writing?" He always said, "Oh, I am taking care of the books for the
business, and balancing the books." She was thinking, "What is he
doing? He doesn’t have that much of business that he is spending
hours and hours balancing the books!" Of course, later on it was
realized that what he was writing in those books were the verses
that were coming to him.
The Shykhis movement started with a person named Assyai. He
became prominent, and he found a lot of followers, especially in
Iran and Iraq. Even in the Sunni branches of Islam, a lot of people
accepted his teachings.
Assyai died and a person by the name of Rhashti became the
leader. Actually Rhasht is a city in the north of Iran. It is just
like Khomain – Khomain is a city in Iran, and when you are from that
city, you become Khomani. The name Khomani means he is from Khomain.
Rhashti means he is from Rhasht. That "i" at the end, makes him from
So Rhashti became the leader of the Shykhis. At the time of his
departure in 1844, before he died, he didn’t choose anyone as his
successor. He said that the Imam would reveal himself, a few months,
or sometime after he died.
But after he died most of his disciples did not take that very
seriously. So when he died, again there was a crisis of the
leadership. There were the people who were his closest disciples who
each claimed to be the successor of Rhashti, and there was a great
upheaval in the Shykhis movement.
Eventually one person who was very close to Rhashti remembered
that Rhashti had said that they shouldn’t accept any leader, but
wait for the Imam. So he went into seclusion. Many of the Shykhis
followers also went with him, into seclusion in a mosque in Iraq.
They stayed there for a long time, fasting, meditating, talking
it over, and remembering what their teacher had said. Eventually one
day that person said, "We are going to go and seek the Imam."
They left Iraq, and went to Persia, and they went all the way to
Shiraz. When they were close to Shiraz, one of the people who were
with Bab came and talked with that person. He invited him to go to
Of course, some people say that a lot of people already had a
feeling about Bab. That is why they went from Iraq to Shiraz after
him. They felt he was different, he had something. So these people
went to Shiraz really to meet him for this purpose.
When these people reached Shiraz, it was around the 22nd
of May 1844, and this person went to Bab. Bab claimed himself to be
the Bab, which means" The Door." The Door meant that he was the door
between those people who were seeking the Imam and the Imam himself.
The Imam was still in a hidden place, but he was the Bab (The Door).
But as the movement started progressing, he started claiming more
and more to be the Imam himself. They believed the Imam to be in
four stations. They are: Babiya - The Door; Zikreya - The Voice;
Qaimiya - The Hidden Imam himself; and Mazhariya - The Divine
Manifestation. In the beginning he said, "I am Bab," then later on
said, "I am The Voice of the Imam," then later on he said, "I am the
Imam himself," and even later on he said, "I am a Major
Because of that there was a lot of confusion created, even among
the Babis. The Babis really didn’t know how to relate to all this.
Some of the early disciples believed that he was The Bab, he was The
Door. Then later on other people started saying something different
When he claimed himself to be the Bab, this person who came from
Iraq seeking him, believed him, and accepted his claim. But Bab told
them to keep it secret, because they were afraid.
In an Islamic country, you don’t say you are a Major
Manifestation or Imam, or you are a Prophet. There is no separation
of church and state, protection of religion, and all those things we
have here in the US (West). It was/is dangerous to do that. Maybe
that is why God brought me here to the West before He told me about
So he told them to keep it secret. This person who believed in
him, little by little started talking about him and his teachings to
other members of the Shykhis who had come with him from Iraq.
Eventually nineteen of these people became his first disciples.
They believed the nineteen were the twelve Imams, Prophet
Muhammad, Ali, and a couple of other people who became very famous
in Islam. They said that they were the manifestations of those
people. These nineteen people were called the Letters of the Living.
Then, of course, Bab instructed them to go and give the news to
those people who already were in the Shykhis movement. So the
nineteen spread out and some of them went to the north, some of them
went to the east, some went to the west, and some went to Iraq. They
claimed his claim that he was the Bab, he was the one whom the
Moslems were waiting to come, The Imam.
Bab was a Seyyid. A Seyyid is a person from the lineage of
Prophet Muhammad. In the Islamic countries, the Seyyids usually wore
a black turban. If you were not a Seyyid, you had a different color
of turban. So if someone had a black turban, it meant he was from
the lineage of Prophet Muhammad.
Of course, after a couple of hundred years, a lot of people wore
the black turban without being from the lineage of Prophet Muhammad.
That is just human nature. Any time they find something that carries
some respect and that kind of feeling with it, they take advantage
Well, we don’t really know if he was from the lineage of Prophet
Muhammad or not, that is really beside the point. But as we said, it
was important to Moslems that the Imam was from the lineage of
Prophet Muhammad. To them at least, if he was not from the lineage
of Prophet Muhammad, he could not have been the Imam (remember that
was one of the points for being the Imam).
They were waiting for the Imam to come. Why? What happened that
they came to this conclusion that the Imam went into hiding? After
the first four Caliphs, after Abu-Baker, Omar, Osman, and Ali, the
leadership of the Moslems went to the person in Syria. He took the
place, not by being chosen, but by political maneuvering, eventually
gaining power over the military, and then claiming himself to be the
That was when the real problems started between those who called
themselves close to Prophet Muhammad, who wanted to follow exactly
his teaching and his laws, and those who were more worldly and
wanted to create a kingdom based on human understandings.
After these four Caliphs, the Shias chose the sons of Ali, Hassan
and Hussein, and then their children, as Imams. But any time they
chose an Imam, the central government became very opposed to it.
They were always a threat to the central government in Syria.
So every Imam was poisoned and/or somehow killed. When the
twelfth Imam was chosen, he was only thirteen years old. Of course,
he, and probably his followers, realized what was going to happen if
he said he was the Imam and was exposed to the public. He also would
be killed. So he was withdrawn from the eyes of the public. He
communicated with his followers through some four persons. These
four people were also killed, and eventually no one knows what
happened to the Imam. Shias believe that he went into hiding, and is
going to return at a later time.
It is just like the Christians believe that Christ was taken to
heaven and he is going to return. They also believe that the Imam
was hidden. Of course, they don’t say how he was hidden!
Shias have been waiting for the hidden Imam to return for
centuries. That is why if you study the Islamic history, there are
many who have claimed to be the hidden Imam. The idea was, because
Prophet Muhammad did not choose a successor, and the ones people
chose after Him were not from his lineage, eventually the worldly
people took over. And the worldly people created a worldly kingdom
instead of the heavenly kingdom. They (worldly leaders) made
palaces, hired servants and accumulated gold, and things like that.
So the Shias believed that there had to come a time when the Imam
would return and restore the ideal of God's Kingdom. Actually the
Islamic Empire became so large, it was all the way from Spain to
India, so they had a lot of territory.
In the beginning, when leaders from other nations came to meet
the Islamic leader (Caliph), he was a very pious person, and you
couldn’t recognize the difference between him and regular people. He
was one of the crowds. Of course every one respected him and carried
out his work.
But after awhile, after the worldly Caliphs took over, it became
so fantastic, when you study about Sinbad, or the Caliphs, or about
the fantastic palaces they had, the stories appear very exotic to
the western culture or western writings. In a lot of western
writings they talk about the eastern culture, their palaces, etc.
Most of them are an impression they received from the rich Caliphs.
Shias always felt that, "When the Imam comes, he is going to
bring his army with him. His army is going to destroy all the
injustice and inequity on earth, and he will establish the Kingdom
Of Heaven On Earth."
So, when Bab claimed he is the Imam, that was what the people
expected Him to do. They accepted his claim, and they felt he was
the Imam. They concluded, "We are the chosen people, so we have to
create the army and destroy the infidels." So they felt that the
Imam was there and therefore their success was guaranteed!
It is just like Christians who are putting so much emphasis on
the coming of the Christ. No one can fulfill all those expectations.
"The sky is going to open up. Christ is going to come and say,
‘Kingdom Come,’ and the Kingdom is going to come, and that’s it. No
one has to do anything. You don’t have to purify yourself, you don’t
have to meditate, and you don’t have to create the Communities of
Light. It is very easy and simple. He is going to come and do it
for you!" It is exactly the same thing.
The Shias and Moslems, in general, kept adding to their
expectations about The Imam (as all religions do about their
Messiah). It reached a point that no one could fulfill those
expectations any more. It was impossible. The Mujtahed, the Osulies,
came to the conclusion that, "Since the Imam is not going to come,
we are his representatives."
The Osulies, the Mujtahed, became the representatives of Imam.
Also, as we said, they had a lot of networking with each other, so
after awhile, the Mujtahed became very powerful figures in the
communities. They reached a point that they would issue a decree (Fatiha)
and everyone would follow that decree and accept it as the Word of
So when Bab came and said, "I am the Imam," do you think they
would accept him right away? Were they going to give up all their
prestige, power and all that and say, "Yes, sure, take over?" They
wouldn’t do that.
And that is exactly what happened when Bab came to proclaim
himself as being the Imam. There was an opposition to him from the
priest class. Now, when he proclaimed himself, his followers really
didn’t know about his teaching at all. The only thing they accepted
was that he was the Imam or at least the Bab, and they spread out to
give the news to others. A lot of people accepted that. A lot of
people accepted the news that he was the Imam.
In two years Bab had an estimate of between 40,000 and 150,000
followers, all through Iraq and Iran. Most of his followers, of
course, were Shias. They became very militant. It was just such an
amazing creative energy that was released to them. As they became
militant, of course, the priest class didn’t like that at all. They
realized that Bab’s movement could be a treat to their social
In the beginning the government thought they could use this
movement against the Mujtaheds. They didn’t like the priest class,
because the priest class was almost as powerful as the government
itself. There was a balance of power between them. There was the
government which had all the military and collected taxes, and there
were the Mujtaheds, or the priest class, which had all the schools,
Mosques and spiritual centers in Iran and in southern Iraq. They
also collected alms, etc.
The Mujtaheds had the Mosques, and they were connected to the
people through these centers. The Mosque was the place where all the
people would go and listen to the preachers. They had the ability to
arouse people by their preaching. Any time the government did
something against them that the Mujtahed didn’t like, they would
stir the people against the government. So the government realized
that the Mujtaheds were a very powerful force. So an uneasy balance
of power was established between them.
Of course their authority would overlap once in awhile. Each
tried, constantly, to expand their authority over different matters.
These all brought the government and priest class into constant
clashes. Any time the government tried to go over the Mujtahed’s
territory, they would become upset. When the Mujtahed tried to take
over the governmental accepted authorities, they became upset and
People say one of the reasons that the priest class revolted in
Iran, at the time of the Shah, was because the Shah cut off their
part of the taxes that used to be given to them. When he did that,
they were cut off from a lot of income, and they revolted against
him, stirred up the people, and eventually destroyed him.
Of course, that should have happened. We know that all is God’s
Plan. All these things happen according to His Will, and have a
purpose and reason behind them. In this case, when our teaching
comes, the Persian Empire will be destroyed. After 2,500 years on
continues kings, and it was destroyed six months after we started
So these newly converted Babis went to the communities and gave
the good news about the Imam being there among them. Many people
were readily converted to the new faith. This did not go very well
with Mujtaheds. They realized that, "They are becoming powerful.
They are converting people more and more." So they stirred their
people against them, and they organized mobs against the Babis
communities. They would attack the Babis communities, etc.
The Babis, of course, thought they were the Chosen People, and
they should bring the Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth, and they should
fight and establish justice, so they would fight back with these
mobs. In the beginning the government stayed away from these fights.
But eventually it started to assist the Mujtaheds and their people.
The Babis weren’t very well prepared to fight the government and its
troops. They were just regular people. They weren’t military people.
So they suffered a great deal. That is why there were so many
martyrs among the Babis.
Of course, that goes very well with the prophecies of the fifth
seal, doesn’t it, that there were many with the white robes who were
martyred? So there were a lot of martyrs in the Babi movement.
Audience: I thought the Babis were non-violent.
Maitreya: The Baha’is were non-violent, not the Babis. We
will get to that.
Actually there were what they called the two ages, the old age
and the new age, in the Baha’i/Babi history. In the old age, the
history was recorded according to what happened. But as we will see,
the Babis were almost completely destroyed.
That was one reason why we needed Baha’u’llah: to bring the
teaching to the West. If Baha’u’llah wasn’t there, we would never
have heard about the Babis. That is because there are almost no
Babis any more in Iran (maybe a few). They were almost completely
destroyed because of this militancy that they had. They weren’t
peaceful at all. At least the Mujtaheds did not let them be
They were actually looking for trouble, in a sense, because they
wanted to establish justice. But they didn’t have a chance to
organize themselves. As we said, they were not well equipped, and
they were not well trained.
Also the Kingdom doesn’t have to come with the sword any more.
The Kingdom can come with understanding, meditation and realizing
that God sent all these revelations. As I said many times, we are
not a revolutionary people. We are an evolutionary people.
Through evolution eventually humanity will reach a point where
they will see that they are connected, they are one. They are from
One Source, and God sent all these revelations. They eventually,
little by little, are going to come to these conclusions.
Of course, with creation of the Communities of Light, we
can set an example for everyone else of how it can be done. But in
that culture, in that teaching, in that kind of understanding, the
Shias are still militant.
So the Babis were not peaceful. The Baha’is were.
Question: From what I remember about the Babis, they
weren’t as forceful as the ones with Muhammad. Well, at least that’s
what I remember from Release The Sun.
Maitreya: Release The Sun was written by the
Baha’is. It is very important to recognize that the Baha’is changed
a lot of things after Bab. Bab came and brought those teachings, and
they were militant. Many of them were destroyed.
Baha’i came, and preached a much more peaceful teaching.
Actually, he taught, "Don’t become involved with the present
governments at all. Just create the communities and become peaceful.
At times, don’t even confess who you are." That was one of the
principles that one of the Imams also gave to his followers. He
said, In a situation that you might be prosecuted because of your
faith, it’s OK to conceal it. That is exactly what the Baha’is did.
But we don’t have to conceal anything. Actually I believe that
the whole process of the western thought of separation of church and
state, freedom of religion, and all that, have come to us so that
when this Revelation came, we wouldn’t have to be afraid about it.
We can just say, "Yes, I believe in this."
The last time I went to Iran, I explained The Greatest Sign
to my family. I told them, "OK, this First Seal is the Mystical
Paths, just like Sufism, you meditate…," and everyone was fine with
it. Then I told them about the Second Seal as Judaism, the Hebrews.
Everyone was saying, "Yes, yes, it makes sense." Then I explained,
"This is Christianity, Esa and His teachings, the Third Seal." "Oh,
yes, that is fine," they said. I went on, "This is Islam, the Fourth
Seal." "Oh, great, great," they exclaimed. Then I said, "And this is
Baha’i." Their response was, "Ugh…"
My father said, "You’d better go back. You can’t stay here." If
this teaching had come in Iran, an Islamic country, I would have
been dead a long time ago.
Comment: There are rebels in the world, organized groups
that came after a teaching. Nowadays there are a lot of free
radicals running around. There are a lot of people who do not
believe in mixing races and they have become very powerful.
Maitreya: As it is said, when the light comes, the
darkness also becomes stronger. That is why I said, you have to be
wise as a serpent. You don’t have to preach this to a person who
doesn’t believe in the equality of the races.
You have to preach to those people who are in a state of
consciousness where they recognize the unity of humanity, religions,
and the races, and who are intelligent enough to see these things
are the truth.
But this is God’s Revelation. God said, "I am going to make you
one. I am going to unify you." So we cannot stop preaching it, but
we have to preach it to those people who can understand it.
That is again why communities are so important, so that we can
become strong enough to preach it and reach out. You see, those
people are not the majority, these punks, skinheads, and all those
people who separate humanity by religions, races, etc. They are not
the majority. The majority wants this. The majority wants peace. The
majority wants unity. The majority wants the Communities of Light.
The majority wants light.
So don’t listen to a minority that creates big news. The news is
sensationalism. Don’t take news that you hear on television very
seriously, because although such people are there, they are not the
They are a small minority, but because they are outspoken, and
they make a lot of noise, they get attention. These days it seems
that anyone, who has a bigger voice, gets his way better. But it
shouldn’t be like that.
That is why it is so important, that we have to go to God again
and use that yardstick that we talked about last night. Should we
listen to the loud voices of those people who are yelling and trying
to get our attention, or listen to God’s voice, which is very quiet
and deep within ourselves and is revealed in the Scriptures?
A lot of people have been caught up in the news and things that
have been happening on earth, and they take a few people so
seriously. So we should recognize that they are not the majority.
Eventually as we preach this and it spreads out, we will reach a
point that they become small voices. Instead of using the news for
the bad news and always talking about gangs, skinheads, punks,
destruction, etc., we can create news about the wonderful things
happening in this community. The news, for example, would be about
how we built this new hospital, or we built this nice school, or
look at our wonderful children, they are learning, they are good
children, we are teaching them and they are growing beautifully,
etc. That will become news. Then you will feel very comfortable and
Of course, as it is said, "United we stand, divided we fall," or
"If we don’t hang together, we are going to be hanged separately."
That is exactly what the founding fathers of the US said. They
realized if they do not hang to one another, England will hang them
separately. Also they realized, "If they hang together, they will
succeed. If we stay separate, we are going to be hanged separately."
It is hard for you out there in the world, who are working. No
one listens to the Truth about God, and no one is with you. But as
the Communities of Light are created, you will become
stronger and stronger.
There is a critical point when we will win. When that critical
point comes, everyone will want to be in a Community of Light.
Well, probably not everyone, but most of the people will want to
live in a Community of Light.
What do the people want? They want peace and security in their
neighborhoods. This neighborhood is more secure now than if we
weren’t here. It is a very secure neighborhood, because of us! If we
weren’t here, these people wouldn’t have come together. They would
still be separate. Such an environment breeds crimes and many evils
which comes with self-centeredness.
That is why each one of us should become a source of security in
our communities. As we create more communities like that, where
people feel secure, they will be more than willing to join us.
Lecture By Maitreya
At The Feast Of Tabernacles
Universalism, The Fifth Seal
Maitreya: Let us close our eyes. Let us all come here in
this room as one. Let any tension or other thoughts go away. Let the
Spirit come through all of us in the calmest way, and let us be one
in the Spirit. May we approach this subject all together as One.
If you remember, yesterday we talked about how eventually Bab
proclaimed himself to be the One Moslems, or at least the Shia
Moslems, were expecting to come, the Mehdi, the Bab. Of course, he
called himself the Bab in the beginning, but as his mission
progressed, he claimed to be even a greater Manifestation than just
The Door (Bab). He, eventually, claimed to be a Major Manifestation
like Prophet Muhammad, Christ, etc.
So he said he was the Bab, and then later on he claimed he was
The Voice, and then later on he claimed that he was the Hidden Imam
himself, and eventually he said he was the Divine Manifestation.
Actually in the beginning he thought the government was going to
help him. He wrote to the heads of the governments. He wrote to the
Shah, that he would like to meet him. He thought that if he met the
Shah, he could explain what he wanted to do, and the Shah would
The governor of Isfahan, one of the major cities in Iran, did
support him for awhile. Bab left Shiraz, because the government in
Shiraz was very much against him, persecuted him, and made him
retract some of his claims in front of many in a mosque. But the
government of Isfahan invited him to go and live in Isfahan, and he
went to that city. He lived there for around a year. But eventually
again the priests and Mullahs in Isfahan rose up against him and
pushed him out of that city as well.
So, his followers were growing. A lot of people were becoming
converted, and he himself tried to establish some connection with
the authorities, because that was how he felt he would accomplish
his mission. He actually praised the Shah about how he could help
these things to be established to completion.
But little by little his disciples, the Babis, started being
persecuted. The government supported him for awhile in the
beginning, because they felt they could use him against the
Mujtaheds, against the Mullahs, against the religious establishment.
But when the mobs started attacking the Babis, and the government
had to become involved all the time to keep them away from each
other, little by little they felt that they were becoming more a
problem than being useful.
Also the Prime Minister at that time was a person who didn’t like
the priest class. But the Prime Minister also wasn’t very much with
Bab, so Bab didn’t have much luck with the authorities.
Eventually the situation deteriorated to a point that they
decided to put Bab into prison. They put him in a prison somewhere
in north Iran, in one of the fortresses they had. But that fortress
was very close to the Russian border, so the Babis were coming close
to the Russian border. Most people in southern Russia, close to
Iran, are Moslems too. So they also became interested in this new
movement. Russia became concerned. Then the Russian ambassador in
Tehran complained about it to the government of Iran.
They moved Bab from there to another fortress in the west of
Iran. It was there that he wrote the Bayan, his Scripture,
for the Babis. One of the things he wrote in the Bayan was
that he predicted, "He Whom God Will Manifest" will come after him.
He said, "When he comes, every verse of his Scripture will be worth
It was here, in his new prison, that he claimed that he was the
Imam himself. He no longer said that he was the Bab. Later, they
brought him to another city in the west of Iran, Tabriz, and they
put him on trial. They tried to discredit him.
The Mullahs set up a mocking trial for him. They started arguing
and discussing religious points with him. It was there that he
claimed that he was the Major Manifestation. So they felt that he
was really crazy. They tried to discredit him.
Eventually they sent him back to the fortress for awhile. The
government changed, and a new Shah and a new Prime Minister came
into power. The new Prime Minister was absolutely against any
religious movement or any tension in the country. That was why he
eventually decided that Bab had to go.
That was when they brought him back to Tabriz and put him on
another mock trial. He didn’t withdraw his claim. He said, "That’s
who I am." Then they took him to a couple of those big Mullahs, the
Mujtaheds who were the supporters of the government, and they passed
a Fatiha that, "Yes, he is an infidel, and he should be put to
death." One of those Mullahs told him, "Just tell us that you are
not the Imam, and we will let you go." He refused to do so.
Actually when he was coming from the fortress the last time to
Tabriz, people were so stirred up by him, that on his way to Tabriz,
when he took a shower, the people rioted to get the water as blessed
water. So the government was even more concerned when it saw that he
was becoming popular with the people. It seems more people started
to believe in Him.
If they had accepted some of his ideas, the Moslems would have
been in a much better shape. It is just like when the Messiah or new
Revelation comes, if the people accept it, the evolutionary process
of those people will be accelerated. But if they don’t, of course,
they fall into deeper darkness.
For example, the Jewish people were waiting for Christ to come.
Christ came, and they didn’t accept him. What happened to the Jewish
people? They were scattered abroad for thousands of years.
Then the Christians were waiting for the Messiah to come.
Muhammad came, and they didn’t accept him. What happened to Europe?
Europe fell into darkness and the Dark Age.
Of course, darkness starts even before the Messiah comes. At that
time, the very presence of powerful Mullahs who assumed the
authority of God, was the sign of decline. Indeed, the Messiah comes
when darkness prevails on earth. Of course, any time the Messiah
comes many reject him. That is when the tribulation comes to those
That is exactly what God said in The Revelation. Any time
a seal was opened, a great upheaval came to humanity. That is the
process of purification.
Another way to look at is that, they shouldn’t have accepted him.
For instance, if every Jew had accepted Christianity, we wouldn’t
have any Jews today. Then we wouldn’t know too much about the Old
Testament, their teaching, and they wouldn’t have been carried
away to all the nations so that they could preach their gospel to
The Jewish gospel, the Old Testament, is almost
universally known now. Almost everyone on the whole earth knows
about it. Why? It was because they were carried away and they were
scattered all over the earth. So they had their message with them,
and they also taught it to other people.
It shouldn’t have happened differently. Not all religions should
have accepted the Messiah (or a Prophet), because we should have
Mystical Paths too. We should have Judaism, Christianity, Islam,
Baha’i, etc., so we know about them and realize where each stand in
God’s Plan. Now we can put them all together and say, "They are
connected to one another." But if the Moslems had accepted Bab,
there would have been a great progress in their society.
Eventually they took him to the place to execute him. They were
going to hang him on the wall and then shoot him. They hung him with
ropes from the wall. They chose 1,000 sharpshooters to shoot Bab. I
don’t know if that number is exaggerated or not, but I got that from
the regular books. It wasn’t from the Babis or Baha’is.
Anyway, a lot of soldiers didn’t want to participate in the
firing squad to execute him, because they had the feeling of, "Yes,
he at least is a Prophet. He is an innocent person, etc." They
didn’t want to shoot him. They had to search hard to find 1,000
people who they thought would do it.
Before he was prosecuted, Bab had said that everyone that was a
Babi should denounce him, because he didn’t want the other people to
be killed. He said, "Everyone denounce me, but I will not denounce
Most of his followers, even his scribes, secretaries, followed
His advice. So everyone followed his request and denounced him, so
they didn’t get killed. But there was one follower who was in prison
with Him and did not. He said, "No, he is the Bab. I know he is the
Bab, he is the Messiah, and I am not going to withdraw what I
believe." So this disciple was executed with him.
They hung them from the wall, and 1,000 shots were shot, or 750,
or even 500 shots. Bab and the other person did not get shot, but
both fell to the ground. At that time the guns were the type that
you had to load by hand. You would put lots of gunpowder in them and
they would created much smoke. So after the shots were fired, there
was a lot of smoke. When the smoke cleared, there was no Bab around!
Actually some people say that if Bab had stood up and claimed
that this was his miracle, many more people, probably, would have
believed in Him. That is because they kept asking him, "Show us
miracles. If you show us miracles, we will believe you." It is just
like here in the Mission, "If you show us miracles, we will believe
you. If you don’t show us miracles, we won’t believe you."
Bab kept telling them, "I don’t need to show you miracles. Still
I claim who I am." But some people say when those 1,000 shots, or
750 shots, did not even scratch him, if he would have just stayed
and said, "Look, this is a miracle!" everyone would have probably
accepted him and followed him. Of course, this is just speculation.
People could be very cruel, and still would not believe.
They found him in one of the rooms around the compound, and they
brought him back. Also it is possible that the people who were
chosen to shoot him, really didn’t want to shoot him. So everyone
either aimed at the ropes, or aimed somewhere else. They each wanted
their conscience to be clear that, "I didn’t shoot him." I guess
this time, after they brought him back, the leader of the firing
squad told the soldiers who were supposed to shoot him, "If you
don’t shoot him, you are going to be in trouble."
So the first time no one shot at him, they shot around him. But
this time I guess they didn’t have any choice, and they shot him and
the other man. They took the bodies and threw them out of the city
in the dump. This became controversial, because a lot of Babis
complained to some ambassadors from England and Russia about how
they treated Bab’s body. Some Babis claim they stole the body, and
hid it, and kept it to bury it later. They eventually brought it to
Jerusalem. There is a shrine there that supposedly holds Bab’s body.
Before Bab died he chose a person in Tehran by the name of Subh’I
Azal. Actually his name was Mirza Yahya, but Bab gave him the name
Subh’I Azal, which means The Morning of Eternity. He let all the
Letters of the Living, those first nineteen disciples, the ones who
first converted to the Babi movement, know that he chose Subh’I
Azal, and he let a lot of other Babis know that he chose him.
Actually he sent some of his personal articles to Subh’I Azal,
which meant that, "We are one." He sent his pen, pencil, some
clothing, and some personal articles, even before he was shot. So it
was pretty clear that he chose Subh’I Azal as his successor.
Subh’I Azal was a young man, and he had a brother who eventually
was called Baha’u’llah. His brother helped him, taught him, and was
taking care of Subh’I Azal since childhood. They were apparently
very close. It sounds like Baha’u’llah was kind of like a big
brother to him. They grew up together.
After Bab died, there were a lot of claims by many people that
they were the manifestation of "He Whom God will Manifest," as Bab
predicted would happen. Bab had said, "He Whom God Will Manifest"
will come after me. And many people started claiming, "I am the
One." No one accepted them because Subh’i Azal took over, and he
started directing the Babis.
The interesting thing is that Bab said that "He Whom God Will
Manifest" would come much later after him, not just a couple of
years. But still there were so many claims from many people.
Apparently Subh’i Azal didn’t seem to be a very effective leader.
It sounded like he just didn’t want to become too involved and do
the things necessary.
The faith still spread, however, and went all over Iran. As we
said, because of the Shia’s belief that when the Mehdi comes, they
would establish the Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth, the Babis became
militant to fulfill this prophecy. That is just like the Christian's
belief, that when Christ comes, he is going to establish the Kingdom
of God on earth. He is going to have armies, who are the faithful
ones. He will be the one who comes on the white horse, like in The Revelation, when it says his name was the faithful and he
judged all the nations, and he will bring the Kingdom Of Heaven On
It was almost the same kind of feeling with the Babis. Probably
David Koresh thought the same thing. He thought that he was the
Messiah. He thought that he was the one who would have all those
guns, and change the government, etc. It was that kind of
revolutionary mentality that also got the Babis in trouble. They had
this mentality of, "We are revolutionary. We are going to change the
government. We are going to take over," and eventually the
government destroyed them.
Most revolutions have not helped much, in all of human history.
Any time you have a revolution, first there is a lot of bloodshed,
and second, it never helped much in the long run. That is because a
revolution is the idea of a few people imposed on the majority. They
might be a little ahead of others, but others are not yet in tune
with this minority. So when they revolt, because there are a lot of
people who are not in tune with them, they have to destroy many in
order to feel safe, etc.
This has occurred in every revolution, just like the revolution
in France. How many people went under the guillotine? They cut their
heads off because the people were not the same as they were. Even in
the revolution in Iran, how many people did they kill? In every
revolution there is a lot of killing, and still people are not in
the stage of consciousness to accept that idea, or even understand
it well. A revolution may work if the majority of people are ready
for it. In fact such a revolution can be viewed as an evolutionary
That is why the best change is the evolutionary change. An
evolutionary change is by education, by reaching out, by teaching
people. It was just like Muhammad’s movement, it was an evolutionary
kind of movement. It took them thirteen years to go back to Mecca.
But for that period he had so many people preaching his teaching to
so many other people, that little by little they became ready for
the idea of, "Yes, we need this new teaching. This teaching makes
sense. It is wonderful. We would like to be with him."
So when Muhammad marched toward Mecca, though he actually started
with a very small band of people, many more people heard and they
came and joined him. By the time he reached the gates of Mecca, he
had a very large group of people with him. He had an army of around
120,000 strong. When the Meccans saw that they said, "We can’t fight
these people. There are too many of them." So they give up, and
Muhammad and his people just marched into the city and took over.
See, that was kind of an evolutionary change, the people were
ready for it. It is just like us, we can go out there and tell
everyone, "Look, all the religions are one," and we can go out there
and start yelling at the people, trying to change them. They aren’t
ready! They have never even heard about The Greatest Sign.
It is just like when the Babis went out and said to the Moslems
who were very fanatic, with deeply rooted ideas about what Islam
means, "No, all the religions are the same. Christianity, Judaism,
and Islam were the old revelations and Baha’i is the new
revelation." They weren’t ready for it. But in an evolutionary
process, when enough people are touched, educated, and ready for it,
it just happens. That is why we are not revolutionaries.
I have never seen any revolution that was helpful, just like the
Russian revolution. They had it for seventy years. What happened to
it? It just fell apart. Or the Iranian revolution, I went to Iran
two years ago. It is terrible, everyone is still complaining.
Actually they had replaced the Shah with many Shahs, because the
people were not ready. These are people who have had dynasty after
dynasty, for the last 2,500 years, and suddenly the revolutionaries
came and told them, "You can’t have a Shah any more." The people
were not ready for that sudden change. They have made many Shahs
That is why we have to educate. We have to reach out. We have to
teach. We have to prepare people for the idea. And there are those
who are ready. After we have many, many Communities of Light
popping up all over the earth and they are connected, we will simply
bring His Kingdom on earth. The people will be ready for it.
That is why we are not opposed to any government. Actually, we
encourage having the present governments. Without government we
would have chaos. So we are not against any government or any
established system. The only thing that we are trying to do is to
create the Communities of Light. That is the only thing we
are going to do. The more Communities of Light we create, the
stronger we will be and the more net-working we will have together.
Eventually this present system is going to fall apart. It will
not work any more. It is already not working. We can see that it is
not working anywhere. So eventually it has to fall apart.
If there is nothing to replace it with, what is going to happen?
There will be a great chaos. But if we have an established system
based on this last revelation from God which unifies everything
together, and we already have a lot of people whose consciousnesses
have been raised to think this way, what’s going to happen? We can
easily say, "Here is an alternative. Do you want to try this
alternative?" And then we can easily accomplish it.
That was exactly what happened to the Babis. The Babis became
very revolutionary to try to change things abruptly. They tried to
fight the present systems, they tried to be militant. That is why
many of them were destroyed. They were martyred.
Of course, God had already prophesied that that was going to
happen. Do you remember what happened in the fifth seal in The
Revelation? He said that there were going to be many martyrs
among them. There were going to be many in the white robes that were
going to die, and they were going to be destroyed.
Eventually they attempted an assassination of the Shah in Tehran.
That was when the government rounded up all the remaining Babis and
put them into prison. Of course, this time the government really
went after the Babis. There was no excuse. If you were a Babi, that
was it. You were suspect.
That was why Subh’i Azal left Tehran. They went to arrest him,
but he had already left. The moment he heard that there was an
attempted assassination of the Shah by the Babis, he left Tehran and
went to Iraq.
But his brother, Baha’u’llah, was arrested and put into prison
for a couple of months.
Question: What kind of social justice did Baha’u’llah
bring with him that was different from the teachings of Muhammad and
Maitreya: Well, if you remember in the Old Testament,
there were a lot of laws. They said, "You do this and this, and
that, etc. You are going to bring this kind of animal which should
be unblemished, perfect for sacrifice, so many lambs, etc," and
there were many Laws for sacrifice of animals and other things. So
there were a lot of laws brought by Moses.
But when Christ came, did he bring any laws? He didn’t bring any
laws at all. He brought The Grace. And also remember the prophecy of
Israel at the time of his death. Israel prophesied that the
lawgiving would be given to Judah, until Shiloh came (Genesis
Judah was the tribe that all the great kings of the Jews came
from, David and his children, etc. The lawgiving was given to Judah,
until Shiloh came. Who was Shiloh? He was the Messiah. So
lawgiving stayed with Judah until the Messiah came. The Messiah came
as Christ. He, in the front of the temple, when the Pharisees and
Sadducees were questioning him, started verbally attacking them and
telling them, "You generation of vipers," etc. He was preparing
himself to be crucified.
He eventually said, "The Kingdom will be taken away from you and
will be given to another nation" (Matthew 21:43). This, of course,
was the exact fulfillment of this prophecy by Israel, that the
Kingdom would be taken away from them and given to another nation.
So by the coming of the Messiah, the lawgiving of the tribe of Judah
was finished. So the lawgiving was given to the next Messiah
Then when Prophet Muhammad came, he brought a lot of laws. These
social laws that he brought, which are called Shariah, are God’s
Laws for humanity. That is why when Bab and Baha’i came, they didn’t
bring any social laws for humanity. Neither Bab nor Baha’u’llah
brought laws in that detail, as Prophet Muhammad did, for humanity,
nor does the Mission.
So eventually, of course, the laws had to be purified. If you
study Islamic history, for around 400 years, almost the only thing
they did was to establish the jurisprudence. They discussed many
different ways of implementing Muhammad’s laws to their society for
many diverse situations.
For instance, Muhammad said, "If someone stole something for the
first time, and he is repentant, forgive him. But if he does it a
second time, cut off one of his fingers." That is pretty harsh,
isn’t it, cutting off a finger? But imagine the implementation of
Of course, the first requirement for implementing these (God’s)
laws is, to create a just society, where everyone has the minimum
necessities to live on. You cannot implement God’s Laws in an unjust
society. After a just society is created, then if a theft happened
for the first time, you may say to the thief, "OK, you made a
mistake." But the second time you do it, it is no longer a mistake,
it is a crime.
If a person doesn’t have anything to eat, and he goes and steals
a loaf of bread, you can’t cut off his finger. He is hungry, he has
to have some bread. But if he has bread, if he has all the minimum
necessities, and still he goes and steals some bread, there is
something wrong with that person!
What is going to happen? For the first time you say, "OK, you
made a mistake," if the thief is repentant. If he is not repentant,
still some measure of punishment is recommended (such as
humiliation!). If he is repentant he will be forgiven, but he/she
should not do it again. If he does it for the second time, he really
has a problem. Now, he is judged. Then he loses his finger.
In other, more serious cases, if there is an accusation, there
should be three adult, mature witnesses who saw the crime. You
cannot just accuse someone of doing something without having
witnesses. If I have three adult mature people who witnessed that
act, or there is overwhelming evidence, then the accused will be
punished for the crime.
Of course, you also have to investigate and be sure that these
three people are not lying, and that they are not trying to
incriminate him, and all that. If eventually the conclusion was,
"Yes, for sure the crime has been committed with this person," then
the laws are implemented.
You do not put him into prison. You don’t have to spend a lot of
money making all these prisons that we have today. One of the
problems we have in this country is that they keep building prisons.
They don’t have enough. The prisons are built for around 500 people,
they have around 900 prisoners in them. So, they are overcrowded.
Also when a person goes to prison, if he was a petty thief, after
being in prison he will become a master thief by the time he is out.
So these laws have punishments that hurt. Any time the criminal
person wants to steal again, he remembers, "Hey, I am going to loose
my other fingers or the whole hand, if I steal again." It is a very
painful thing, it is a reminder all the time to him not to do it. It
saves a lot of the taxpayers’ money (I guess this part the Western
mind likes), and it has a lot of social and economic reasons as to
why it can be implemented in the society and has greater deterrent
power than our man-made laws.
Of course, there is a great possibility of misuse and abuse
inherent in any laws (be it from God), and they have been misused.
That is why only in our system, in a just society, can such Laws be
effective and would bring justice to all, tranquility to the society
and Peace to earth!
Bab and Baha’i brought a more universal point of view of justice.
That is why Baha’u’llah recommended that there should be a House of
Justice in every city, in every nation, and eventually there will be
a Universal House of Justice. Did that answer your question?
Maitreya: Of course, those laws have to be studied again.
spreads and if we ever get to a place that we have many people,
probably we can read or study them. If there is something even in
that book or the Shariah or supposedly God’s Law that doesn’t make
sense, of course, humans shouldn’t accept it.
Both Subh’i Azal and Baha’u’llah went to Iraq. Subh’i Azal
escaped from Tehran, and Baha’u’llah was exiled. They started
directing the affairs of the Babis from there.
Apparently, as we said, a lot of people again started claiming
that they were the prophesied Major Manifestation that Bab had
predicted. They even said that they were the Manifestation of Imam
Hussein, one of the Imams for whom they were apparently waiting.
Bab had said that of those nineteen people who first believed in
him, the Letters of the Living, one of them was Imam Hussein
already. As we said, the twelve Imams, and the Prophets, made the
nineteen. But still people went on and claimed they were the
Manifestation of Imam Hussein, etc, and there was a lot of upheaval.
Apparently the Babis killed one of them by drowning him. He
supposedly had started getting a lot of followers. They felt it was
a threat to the movement, so they drowned him. So the movement had
already become intolerant toward others!
Subh’i Azal withdrew more and more from the leadership. He left
the Babis’ affairs more and more in the hands of Baha’u’llah.
Baha’u’llah became more prominent in the Babi movement and Subh’i
Azal became less and less important.
Baha’u’llah became so powerful that a lot of Babis became very
irritated with him. They eventually excommunicated him from the
Babis. He left them, and according to one story, he went to join a
Sufi order somewhere in the mountains.
But Subh’i Azal apparently couldn’t live without him. As I said,
Baha’u’llah was his mentor from his childhood. He was always
directing him, teaching him and being with him. It sounds like he
had some attachment to him, so he sent for him.
When Baha’u’llah was very young, his mother died. Then his father
married another woman, and she bore Subh’i Azal as his stepbrother.
Since Subh’I Azal was young, Baha’u’llah became his big brother and
his mentor. It is easy to see why Subh’i Azal felt he needed
Baha’u’llah. That is why he asked him to return.
So at this point, it sounds like Subh’i Azal completely withdrew.
Also the Babis accepted Baha’u’llah more and more as their leader.
Eventually there was a skirmish between the Babis in Iraq and the
Moslems in that country. That was when both Baha’u’llah and Subh’I
Azal were exiled to the Turkish territory. They both went to the
West, toward Jerusalem.
We can see here a glimpse of the Plan of God. If Baha’u’llah and
Subh’i Azal had not gone toward the West, would we (Westerners) have
ever heard of them? Probably not.
So, they were exiled toward the West. They went to the Turkish
territory, and started living there. They stayed in Akka. It was
there that Baha’u’llah claimed that he was the major Manifestation
that Bab had prophesied about. It was now thirteen years after the
martyrdom of Bab.
We should note here that Bab also gave himself the title of
Baha’u’llah. So in a sense there can be some confusion here about
which Baha’u’llah we are talking about, Bab or Baha’u’llah.
After he became a Babi, Baha’u’llah (not the Bab) used to bring
other Babis to his home. While they were talking about Bab, Subh’i
Azal, like a little brother, would hear what they were talking
about. Eventually he also became interested and joined the Babi
Baha’u’llah was imprisoned in Tehran, and then exiled to Iraq. He
was exiled from Iraq to Akka, and in 1863-1866 (there is a confusion
about the time of proclamation) he claimed that he was the
Manifestation whom Bab had prophesied.
By this time the Babis were almost completely destroyed in Iran.
There were so many people fighting against them. The government also
was against them, so they went underground (if any were left in
Iran). When Baha’u’llah claimed that he was the Major Manifestation,
he sent decrees that you don’t have to engage in any political
system or be militant.
As we said, Bab was from a merchant family. So when he gave his
proclamation, many merchants became Baha'i. And you know most of the
merchants like a calm, secure environment to see their businesses
prosper. With a revolution merchants and investors take their
investments and money out of the country. They want a calm
environment to keep their money safe.
So a lot of Babis were looking for someone to come and say, "Cool
it off. Let’s create a nice, calm environment so we can work our
money and invest it the way we want to." When Baha’u’llah came and
said, "You don’t have to engage in that militancy any more," all
these merchants liked that idea very much. They said, "Yes, that is
what we want." Therefore, they supported him. He already had taken
over the leadership from Subh’I Azal. When he received that support,
of course, everyone else started supporting his claim as well. Only
a few Babis did not. They became a minority.
So Baha’u’llah became the leader of the Babis and the movement
changed and was called the Baha’i movement. Babis changed their name
to Baha’is. It was then that Professor Browne in France, who we
talked about earlier, read about Bab. He read about his movement and
the martyrdom, and he became very interested to know more. He just
loved the story. He wanted to know more about Bab, his movement,
etc. You can say he was guided to what he took as his lifetime work
about Bab’s movement.
He went to Iran to see what the Babis were doing there. He didn’t
find any Babis. Eventually he realized that they were now called
Baha’is. He had all these books written about Bab, how he lived, and
how he was martyred, etc. He read about the Bayan. Now he
went to talk to the Baha’is. He knew that Subh’I Azal was chosen by
Bab as their leader, so went to Iran to talk about Bab with the
Babis, but there were none. So he went to the Baha’is to talk about
him. At first they denied that such a person even existed. They
discredited Bab to a very low level, and their talk was always about
Baha’u’llah. They tried to discredit the Babis completely, and they
said, "This is the Baha’i movement now, not Bab’s."
Eventually he found out where Subh’I Azal was. He found a few
Babis left. That is the answer to that question you asked about,
"Aren’t the Babis peaceful?" The Babis weren’t peaceful in the
beginning. You read that book Release the Sun, which is what
happened from the Baha’i point of view.
Browne eventually went to meet Subh’I Azal in Akka, and he even
met Baha’u’llah. But when he went home he became very critical of
what they had done to the Babi movement, and he wrote a lot of
literature on this subject.
Actually you can find two kinds of literature in the Bab/Baha’i
history. One is about Bab, which is written about his time, or
immediately after his martyrdom. These books are written by those
people who realized what Bab did, how he accomplished things, and
how he was martyred. The other literature consists of those books
which were written after the Baha’i proclamation, which was after
they changed things to what most Baha’is now believe. That is why
they say there is the "old history" or era and the "new history" or
era in the Bab/Baha’i history.
So they changed a lot of things in the Babi movement. That is why
this year, because I was going to have this lecture, I tried to find
as much information about these movements as possible. I inquired,
in some religious conferences (echoes they are called) for more
information on the computer, in some conferences, in Fidonet (an
amateur network). "Does anyone have any knowledge about Subh’I
I received a message from someone in the Baha’i Net. They have a
network, and someone said, "Yes, there is a Baha’i network. Why
don’t you join us?" I said, "Great, sure." So I joined their net,
and I started receiving their messages. Of course, they always
talked about, "Baha’u’llah this, Baha’u’llah that, da, da, da…" I
just didn’t say anything. Eventually the person who invited me to
join them said, "Why don’t you say anything and are not
participating in our discussions?"
I said, "Are you sure you want me to say something?" She said,
"Yes, yes, we would like to hear your input." So I said, "OK. This
is how I feel." I wrote to them exactly what I thought. I wrote
things we are discussing in this lecture for them.
I wrote to them exactly how I feel about Bab. I wrote how Bab
came, how Baha’u’llah was chosen to only bring the message to the
West, and that he wasn’t really the Major Manifestation, he was just
chosen by God so we could hear about Bab and the Baha’s teachings in
the West. Also I told them that here is another Major Manifestation,
and it is a greater teaching, so come and join us. Actually, I
invited them to this lecture. I invited them to give this Good News
to their leaders and tell them to join us. Of course, they all
became very upset and everyone became very quiet.
Question: Do you still talk to them any more?
Maitreya: No, they dropped me [laughter]. They dropped me
just like a hot iron or lead.
But you can see so many similarities between Christ’s teaching
and Bab’s teaching, what happened to Christ, and what happened to
Bab. Christ only taught for three and a half years, and then he was
crucified. Bab taught for only four years, and then he was shot.
Then Paul came and interpreted what Christ meant. So Paul became
more prominent than Christ; Baha’u’llah came and said, "What Bab
meant," and Baha’u’llah became more prominent than Bab.
Also you can see that Christianity and Baha’i are on the same
The Greatest Sign. Also Judaism and Islam are on the same
triangle. There were lots of laws give in Judaism, and there were a
lot of laws in Islam. Sounds like these three (Judaism, Islam and
Paravipras) have something in common, and these three (Mystical
Paths, Christianity and Baha’i) have something in common. Actually,
there are a lot of purification techniques also in Ananda Marga,
So Baha’u’llah became very prominent. As we said, there were two
periods in the Babi and Baha’i movement. There was the Bab period
and the Baha’i period. If you study the Babis, you can see a
different point of view, Bab said differently then what the Baha’is
But of course Baha’i brought a much mellower religion. They
became completely out of any political movement, and still they
don’t become involved in politics at all.
As we said, the Babis were almost completely destroyed in Iran.
Just imagine what would have happened if Baha’u’llah hadn’t come to
the West and brought the Baha’i/Babi faith to the West. Also after
him, his son became the leader of the Baha’is, and he traveled to
the West. He was the person who reached out to the West. He went to
Europe, and he came to the United States. Even Baha’u’llah’s
grandson Shughi Effedi, was sent to Harvard, and received his
education there. You can see they were becoming more and more
westernized, and were reaching to the West, just like it had
to come here.
Just imagine if I knew about Bab, and I came and said, "Bab was
one of the Major Manifestations," and no one knew about Bab here.
They would say, "Who was Bab? What are you talking about?"
Also Bab’s teaching had to be modified, because as we said, it
wasn’t perfect. It almost destroyed them, because they couldn’t
survive in that hostile environment. Baha’u’llah had to modify those
So the coming of Baha’u’llah was the Will of God, there is no
doubt about that. It is not that we say, "Baha’u’llah wasn’t the
Will of God at all." It was the Will of God, but Bab was the Major
Manifestation. Bab was the fulfiller of the prophecies. The only
thing he claimed was, "I am the one Bab said is going to come." Of
course Baha’is claim he has fulfilled many prophecies, but most of
them are also fulfilled by me. He came to help to bring the teaching
of Universalism to the West. He and Bab are the twin Prophets who
were Prophesied to come before the coming of the Last Revelation.
But Bab said, "The one who is going to come is going to manifest
much later," much later than when did Baha’u’llah came. Actually,
the year that Bab claimed to the Bab was 1844, and I was born in
1944, almost exactly 100 years to the point from his proclamation.
So it is an interesting thing, exactly 100 years to the time that he
claimed to be the Major Manifestation.
Now, why can’t Baha’u’llah be the Major Manifestation whom Bab
predicted to come?
Bab predicted that the
next manifestation would come much later. Baha’u’llah claimed to be
Him after 13 or 16 years, after Bab.
Bab considered himself
as a Major Manifestation. Bab himself said, "I am the Major
Manifestation." When a Major Manifestation comes, no one comes after
Him after a short period of time. It took 600 years after Christ for
Muhammad to come. It took 1000 years for Bab to come, etc.
Bab gave (addressed)
Subh’I Azal (Azal) the titles he had given himself. He actually
called Subh’I Azal the titles, such as "Morning of Eternity" (Subh’I
Azal), "Splendor of God" (Baha’u’llah), "Second Point"
(Nugta-I-Thani), and "The One" (Wahid). Actually, Subh’I Azal became
so forgotten by the Baha’is later that when he died there was no one
around him, except his son. They had completely deserted him.
Bab sent his personal
belongings to Subh’I Azal (pen, case, paper, writings, ring,
clothing, etc). This means Bab outwardly symbolized the unity of
Spirit with Subh’I Azal.
Bab wrote a
testimonial deposition nominating Subh’I Azal as his successor. He
wrote it down, that Subh’I Azal was his successor.
Professor Browne saw
the original document which was written and sealed by Bab himself,
which appointed Subh’I Azal as his successor. Browne published a
facsimile of the translation of the Arabic text of this document. It
is in one of those French books that he wrote.
Bab also gave written
notice of this appointment to the Letters Of The Living (those who
were still alive).
praised Subh’I Azal as the leader of the Babis, while he was in
The city the Baha’is
claim as the Holy City (Jerusalem) is not the one which was supposed
to be in the West (New Jerusalem).
There was one prediction, one prophecy that said that there was
going to be two holy cities. There would be one in the East, which
is Jerusalem, and many things start from there. But there is going
to be a city in the West, where everything is going to finish (be
That is the New Jerusalem. They predicted that this city would be
in the West. That is another prophecy that is fulfilled by us. The
culmination of all the Revelations by God came in The Greatest
Sign and Eternal Divine Path, and was revealed in
the West! It wasn’t revealed to me when I was in the East!
Of course, it is prophesied that the person who brings it is from
the East and sits on the chair, which is the symbol of the West. So
it is again, that we brought the East and West together, and this
prophecy is also NOW fulfilled.
It is just like the eastern soul is very religious and very
spiritual, while the western soul is very intellectual and
scientific. Now it is again time to bring those two together. It is
not only unifying all teachings into One teaching, it is also
unifying many spectrums of human existence. Our teachings put
everything together, including the East and the West.
Another way to look at this is that: The West concentrated on the
external world (science, etc.) and the East on the internal world
(Spirit). Both accomplished great things. The West progressed
materially. The East progressed spiritually. The West found many
tools to make human physical life more comfortable. The East
recognized the Spirit, the chakras, lokas, koshas, etc.
Indeed, now is the time to bring a balance on earth. As the human
brain and its two spheres are coming together as one functioning
brain, now the two spheres of the earth are also coming together to
be(come) whole. That is another thing the Mission is
So the city that the Baha’is mostly accepted as their Holy City
is Jerusalem. They have most of their activities there. It is not
the New Jerusalem, which was predicted will be in the West!
Manifestations were not for Baha’u’llah, as Bab predicted would be
the case for the coming of the next Major Manifestation.
Another thing Bab said was that when that the Major Manifestation
comes, every Manifestation that came before him was for him, to
culminate the teaching, the revelation. Hasn’t it happened here?
Every one of them came to bring a part of The Greatest Sign.
So they all came to bring a part of the truth. But with our
teaching, all of them came to perfect a part of our teachings. Now
it is perfected, it is put together as the culmination of all the
revelations before it.
Baha’u’llah’s teaching is not doing that. Actually according to
Baha’u’llah, anything before him is null and void. That is against
what Bab predicted about the coming of the future Major
Manifestation. That was another thing that I told them in that
message to the Baha’i Net.
The Greatest Sign and the Eternal Divine Path
represent the teaching of all the Great Prophets in the past.
It was written in one of the sources I studied that, "In the
Bab wrote, He-Whom-God-Will-Manifest is Divine [Eternal Divine
Path]. His command is God’s Command. He is not to be asked why
he does whatever he is doing. All previous Manifestations were for
Another thing which is
missing in the Baha’i teaching, as we mentioned yesterday, is that
they don’t consider the Mystical Paths. They don’t talk about
Hinduism, Buddhism, and other Mystical Paths. Actually someone had
asked Abdu’l Baha (Baha’u’llah’s son), "What about Buddhism?" His
answer was, It was OK then. Buddha did a job he came here to do, but
its time has passed. It is finished. It is just like that’s how they
feel about every other religion before the Baha’is.
But we don’t say that.
We say that everything in the past, including the human history, are
lessons for us to learn from, and every religion, and their original
teachings, that came has a place in The Greatest Sign. We are
not destroying anything. Buddhism, Hinduism, Sufism, Cabalism, and
what their founder brought to humanity, have a place in The
Greatest Sign. So, that is another sign that he cannot be the
last one, or the Manifestation that was predicted by Bab.
Change of history: As
we said before, the history was changed in the Baha’is. There was an
old era, which they tried to destroy and eliminate. When Browne went
to Iran to meet the Babis, he could not find one and the Baha’is had
changed many things in favor of Baha’u’llah. So the very foundation
of the faith is based on trying to hide things, and it still
Troubles in the Baha’i
Faiths, regarding successors: Bab chose Subh’I Azal as His successor
and Baha’u’llah took over later and pushed him out of the way. When
Baha’u’llah died, his son Abdu’l Baha took over. A great struggle
started between him and his brother over who is the successor for
Baha’u’llah. When Abdu’l Baha’i died, again there was a rumor that
his successor, Shoghi Afandi, had changed the will, etc. When Shoghi
Afandi died, he did not appoint any successor. Again there was a
great upheaval in the Baha’i movement. Eventually some of the people
took over and discontinued the idea of the Guardian. They formed the
House Of Justice and decided they no longer needed a guardian. That,
of course, is not the way Baha’u’llah envisioned the Baha’i faith
would be run.
Covenant Breakers: In
each of these incidents, anyone who opposed the new leader (or if
they left the faith), was/is labeled the "Covenant Breakers," and
were/is excommunicated. So the faith works like a party based on a
dictatorship mentality. If you are not following the party line
(which is the same as the dictator at the top), you are out. There
is not freedom of expression and individuality. It is not based on a
Bab/Baha'i faith is
the fifth seal: Even on their temple, Baha’is only show five Seals
(Swastika, Star of David, Christianity, Islam and the Baha’i
symbol). They themselves are conforming exactly what we are saying.
Their Revelation is the Fifth Seal!
Book sealed: And
probably the two most important items (items numbered 16 and 17).
First it is clear that the Scriptures reveal that the last Prophet
(Major Manifestation, Messiah, etc.) shall open the Book which is
Sealed with the Seven Seals:
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the
throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven
Rev 5:1 (KJV)
Only One Person can open the Book, which has been Sealed with the
Seven Seals. Since God said that the greatest revelation will come
when that Book would be opened, and the seventh angel will reveal
the mystery of God, therefore Bab was referring to this revelation
and the person who reveals it as He Whom God Will Manifest. It is
this book that its each verse is worth 1,000 Bayans, etc.
None of the Prophets before had opened a Book which Reveals the
Seven Seals. None, including Baha’u’llah, had brought a Book that
Reveals the Mystery of the Seven Seals, which is in that Book.
does all of these!
Seven seals: And of
course the Most Important Evidence, THE REVELATION OF THE SEVEN
SEALS AND THE MYSTERY OF GOD. Again it is our teaching that
accomplishes this. No other Prophets, including Baha’i, ever
explained what are the Mysteries of the Seven Seals. What are the
Seven Seals? What is so important about them? What do they
represent? Why they are a Mystery? etc. THOTH does
exactly that. It Reveals their Mystery and unifies all religions. It
reveals that each of them are a part of the Eternal Divine Path
(EDP) and The EDP
is the path to human Salvation Physically, Mentally, Spiritually,
Individually and Collectively.
So for all these reasons the Bab/Baha’i Faith is not perfect. God
already knew this and He said it about the Fifth Seal:
And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the
seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that
thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are
ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:1-2 (KJV)
In that net that I sent my messages, I told them they can send my
messages to their headquarters (leaders) in Jerusalem and I invited
them to come here and meet the New Revelation. It is just like
Prophet Muhammad sent messages to the leaders of the world, and they
didn’t come. It is the same thing.
This time we have networking. We don’t have to send anyone. All
we have to do is send a message on the computer. That is what I did,
"This is an invitation to you, it is an invitation to all Baha’is,
and it is an invitation to your leaders, to come and see the New
Revelation. If you don’t accept it, if you don’t see the truth in
it, that is fine. You can go away and I will leave you to God. But
at least come and look at it!"
They are doing the same thing that the Moslems did to them. The
Moslems didn’t want to hear what they had. That is exactly what
every previous manifestation does to the new people, the new
teaching, the same thing other people did to them.
But in our teaching, we are not closed to anything. Any new
revelation or manifestation that comes is going to be a part of The Greatest Sign. Even if a Prophet comes and says, "I am the
new Prophet, and I have this teaching," we will say, "OK, let’s see
where you fall in The Greatest Sign."
So we don’t oppose anyone, because The Greatest Sign
covers everything that was there and will come. Even if a Prophet
comes and claims that God talked to him, he should fall somewhere in
The Greatest Sign. He either is a mystic, or talks about the
communities, or says, "You people need to sacrifice, give of
yourselves to the communities in order to create good communities,"
or he says, "Don’t be attached to the result of your actions," etc.
Now the Baha’is have been given the warning, so we will see what
happens to them, to the Baha’i teaching, to the Baha’i people. When
God invites a people, they have the choice to accept the invitation,
or reject it. If they reject it they are going against the Will of
God. His Will, will be done no matter what human will does for or
Comment: Even Baha’u’llah himself admitted that he was not
the last Prophet. He also admitted receiving a message from God,
that if the Baha’i people did not get their teaching together it
would be given to another people. So they knew, and I think a lot of
them are aware of this.
Maitreya: Actually when Baha’u’llah died, there was again
a great crisis for the leadership between Abdu’l-Baha and another
son of Baha’u’llah, as I mentioned above. Then when Abdu’l-Baha died
there was another similar crisis. Some people say that they (the
next leader) interfered with Abdu’l Baha’s will, and there was a big
skirmish about that. And when Shughi Afandi died, he did not appoint
a successor. Then the Baha’i Faith split into two, etc.
Comment: And the crisis continues.
Maitreya: Yes, there are a lot of stories of what happened
to the Baha’is after each of their leaders died. There were a lot of
problems. They had a lot of struggle about who was going to come
after Baha’u’llah, and Abdu’l-Baha almost disowned all of his family
by the end of his life. Shughi Afandi disowned all of his family.
And they called them covenant-breakers. We will get a little deeper
into that later on.
So, what are the problems with the Baha’i teaching?
the House of Justice. First of all, they teach that Baha’u’llah
himself was infallible. Well, OK, he was a Prophet, he was
connected. We could say that that was OK. But each Prophet is also a
human and can make mistakes.
If I make a mistake you can tell me, "Hey Maitreya, you
made a mistake here." And we can talk about it to see who is right.
If I make a mistake, I will accept it, "OK, I accept it was a
mistake, sorry. Let’s do a better job." There is no one infallible
in the body. The only thing that is infallible is the Spirit, is
God. So the very idea of infallibility in the body is ridiculous.
Of course, after Baha’u’llah, they said Abdu’l-Baha was
infallible. Do you understand what infallible means? It means, no
fault, he can not make any mistakes.
Comment: Like the Pope.
Maitreya: That is right. That is another mistake, that the
Pope is infallible.
That is the most ridiculous idea anyone can have on this earth,
that anyone is infallible. No one is infallible. As long as you are
in the body, you are fallible.
Then it came to Shughi Afandi, that he was infallible. That was
why they had to disown their families, because their families
disagreed with them. As we know, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
So Abdu’l-Baha had to disown all his family because they didn’t
agree with him, and they said, "They are the Covenant-breakers." His
mother, his brothers, his sisters, all of them were the Covenant
breakers. Shoghi Afandi did the same thing.
His mother-in-law, or grandmother, or someone, was the person who
pushed Abdu’l-Baha to choose Shughi Afandi as his successor. Shughi
Afandi became the leader of the Baha’is, and later on he even
disowned her and pushed her out, etc. You never, ever should disown
your parents. So the very idea of infallibility is false.
Then after Shughi Afandi, of course, they created the Universal
House of Justice. Now the Universal House of Justice is infallible,
they don’t make any mistakes.
Lack of definition
of who a Paravipra (true leader) is. They don’t have the concept
of Paravipra. Who is a Paravipra? Who is a leader? Who is a person
who can accept the leadership of a society?
He is a person who follows the Eternal Divine Path, who
meditates, who wants to create the Communities of Light, who
is ready to sacrifice, who is surrendered and submissive to God, who
is a universalist, and who is connected. He is not infallible. God
is infallible. Only when he is connected, is he infallible. If he is
not connected, he is not infallible. Almost no one is connected
100%, all the time.
If I make a mistake, I am not connected, I am losing the
connection. If you make a mistake, you lost the connection. That is
why it is so important to be connected all the time, to all the time
get rid of your concepts and being connected to the world, but to be
connected to Spirit (God).
Connection to the world causes us to make mistakes. We don’t
think we make mistakes, we think we are doing OK. But how do we know
someone is making mistakes? Look at their lives. Are they happy? Are
they flowing? Does the spirit reach other people? If they are
connected, their spirit reaches other people. If they are not, their
spirit becomes smaller and smaller, and the only thing they think
about is, "Me, me, me, me." There is no flow of spirit through them,
and it just dies inside.
That is why all these techniques have been given, to expand us,
to let our spirit flow. If the leader doesn’t have the spirit to
flow through him, the spirit reaches no one. So they don’t have the
very idea of Paravipras.
They don’t have any yardstick to know who is really connected.
The general notion
that all religions are basically the same. We see in our
teaching that is not true. Each religion had a specific message for
humanity. They are the same in many, many aspects, of course, but
every religion also had a specific message for humanity. It is not
only that they are all basically the same, but also they each had a
Lack of support for
Far East teachings (including Buddhism, Hinduism and its many
branches). We just talked about that. They don’t include
Hinduism and Buddhism. In other words, the Mystical Paths are
ignored, the same as in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They all do
not include the Mystical Paths in their teachings.
God cannot be known
by man. They say, "God cannot be known by man." That is
ridiculous. As we said, knowing God is so simple that man keeps
missing It. It is not that man cannot know Him, but He is so simple
to know that we keep missing Him. That man cannot know God is not
the truth, because God created everything from Himself! How can we
then not know Him? We are in His Image, to Know Self is to know God.
Be Still and Know God, etc. We can know God.
The problem here is that they (Bab and Baha’i) didn’t know the
Mystical Teachings. They didn’t know Hinduism, they didn’t know
Buddhism, and they didn’t know all those teachings from the Far
East. Because of their backgrounds, they were not exposed to any
Mystical teachings. In the teachings of the Far East, they know that
God is everything. They know the atman is the same as Atman. If they
knew that, they wouldn’t have said that you cannot Know God.
What Baha’i mostly
did was interpret Bab’s teachings and make life easier for the
Babis/Baha’is to live with others. So he was necessary. That was
one of his functions. Another function was to bring this teaching to
the West, so we would know them when they came to the West.
I didn’t know too much about the Baha’is when I was in Iran. I
had heard about them a bit but I never had any close contact with
them. Probably once I had contact, very, very brief contact with
them. But they were a completely different kind of community, so
there wasn’t too much inter-relationship between us.
I start to know about them after I came to the US, and after I
started meditating and becoming open to other religions. Of course,
eventually, the whole Revelation came to me when I went to Chicago
and I went to the Baha’i Temple. The whole Revelation just rushed
upon me. That is a long story, and we don’t have time for it now.
There is other literature in the Mission
which explains what happened.
Also, there are some interesting points in Bab’s and Baha’is
teachings, such as the two holy cities, as we talked about, one in
the East and one in the West. Jabalqa, the city in the East
(Jerusalem) is in the direction of the beginning, and Jabarsa (we
are going to call this city Jabarsa – laughter), the city in the
West (the New Jerusalem), the city in the direction of the return
and ending. So this is the city of the return and the ending.
Two or three months after we moved here, a slogan was adopted for
Rio Rancho. It was called the "City of Vision." I suggested to call
it the City With Vision, because it had such a nice view everywhere.
But I never wrote it down. Then they chose the "City of Vision," and
I then realized that that name was more appropriate than "with
vision." "Of Vision" means that there is a vision that this city is
Any time the Messiah returns, it is the time of resurrection.
That was another point that Bab made. A lot of people read in the Bible that it is the day of resurrection, making the sky open,
the Messiah comes, the dead wake up, they go to the sky and are
caught with Christ, and all that. But Bab cleared up that very well,
exactly the way we teach here, that whenever the Messiah comes,
whenever the Spirit of God comes to the earth, that is the day of
That is why we have so many people reborn now. Why do we have so
many people on earth? There are so many people here. They have
already resurrected, and this is the time of purification, this is
the time of judgment. For instance, why is there so much
destruction? It is because many have been resurrected and are being
It is time for tribulation. It is time for purification. Also
this goes very well with the seven seals in The Revelation.
Any time a seal is opened, a great disaster comes, destruction
comes, and many people are destroyed.
Also, "The coming of the Prophet (Messiah) is a manifestation of
consciousness, not a physical manifestation." That was another point
that Bab made clear. Moslems were also waiting for the Imam to come,
almost exactly the same as Christians are waiting for Christ to
come, as the skies open, Christ comes, and he says everyone is OK.
He punishes the bad ones, rewards the good, and he sits on his
throne. Bab made it clear that that is not true. The Manifestation
comes because humanity needs a new evolutionary process to go to a
higher state. That is also what the Bhagavad-Gita teaches, that
Chrishna (Charisma, Christ, etc.) comes when morality is low and man
is lost, etc.
What did Bab and Baha’i accomplish? They were no longer chosen
from the Children of Abram (Abraham). Well, apparently Bab was
because he was a Seyyid. As we said, he was from the lineage of
Prophet Muhammad. Prophet Muhammad was from the lineage of Ishmael,
who was the other son of Abraham. But Baha’u’llah wasn’t.
Being from the lineage of Prophet Muhammad was another thing that
Bab fulfilled. The Moslems were waiting for someone to come from
Prophet Muhammad, and he did. So he fulfilled that prophecy.
Grace came with Esa, Law with Muhammad, and universalism with Bab
and Baha’u’llah. As we said, one of the pitfalls of the first four
seals is narrowness of the mind. You become narrow. Many in their
religions say, "If you are not Hindu, you are no good." "If you are
not a Jew, you are not a chosen person." "If you are not a
Christian, you are lost." "If you are not a Moslem, you are not
following the last Prophet."
Each of them separates themselves from other people. It means if
you are a Christian, you are better than everyone else. If you are a
Jew, you are better than everyone else. If you are a Moslem, you are
better than everyone else. That is separation from the narrowness of
But here, at the Fifth Seal, there is no longer narrowness, there
is universalism. All religions are basically the same. They are
good. They are OK.
Has humanity understood their message and teachings? No, of
course not. Have their followers understood their message? Have
they? Probably most of them have not.
What do the Scriptures say about this message? What was the
prediction of its coming? Why do we accept the Baha’i teaching as
the Fifth Seal?
Of course, the revelation came to me when I was in their Temple
in Chicago. That is one of the very high points, because before that
I was just receiving all this stream of consciousness, this
connection that was coming to me. As I said, I was just trying to
finish my degree. I didn’t come here to become a Prophet or a
Messenger. I came here to finish my education.
And then I couldn’t. For example, I was sitting at my disk
reading about management, and suddenly I would think, "Oh, what
about that [some stream of thought]?" I had to go to the Bible,
and read this and read that, and completely forgot about management.
Or, I was sitting in the management class, listening to the
professor, and he would say, "OK, this is the hierarchy of
organization." Suddenly I thought, "Yes, it looks like the hierarchy
in the Star of David, the triangle upward. Hey, does that mean
hierarchy?" So I was out of that class (in consciousness) and
connected with this stream of revelation. I would be absolutely
taken out of the room and taken away to a place to receive this.
I went to Chicago just to get rid of these thoughts. I went to
visit my cousin there. I remember the first night I was there, he
suggested, "Let’s go to see the Baha’i Temple tomorrow." I said,
"OK." And we went the next day.
There are steps there, and you can’t see the Temple while
climbing the steps. After you climb the steps, suddenly the Temple
is revealed. It is pretty. It is very beautiful. Then there is a
swastika and the signs of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Baha’i
are carved on the Temple.
I saw that, and everything flashed in my mind. I realized there
was a connection between all these signs, etc. That was it! Not
thinking about these things was out of the window. You all know the
story and what happened!
Anyway, so that is one of the reasons we accept Baha’i as one of
the signs in The Greatest Sign.
The second is the prophecy of martyrdom. In the fifth seal in The Revelation chapter three (read
THOTH the book Revelation Of The Revelation), it is said, "They will be killed,
they will be martyred, and they will wear the white clothes, etc."
The Bible also says, "They are lost. It is not perfect."
They have to wait awhile before the last Revelation is Revealed.
Also in the Bible, it says their Saints (those who have been
killed) cry, "How long are we going to wait?" God says, "You have to
wait awhile." Awhile means 100 years. It doesn’t mean 13 years, or
even 16 years. To God awhile means much longer than 13 or 16 years.
It will be a mystery until the seventh Angel comes. Also, you
can’t blame them as to why they don’t understand and they are lost,
because God said it will be a mystery until the seventh Angel comes.
So all the previous Revelations are not perfect. They are a part of
a Mystery. Their followers are confused because they do not have the
whole picture until the Seventh Angel comes.
Who is the seventh angel? He is the angel of the seventh seal.
That is our seal, the Seventh Seal that brings everything together.
The mystery of God is finished, it has been given to humanity.
What is the spiritual message of the Fifth Seal? The message is
universalism, expansion of the mind. It is the Fifth Seal in The
Greatest Sign. It is a part of the Eternal Divine Path and The Greatest Sign. This message was necessary to complete
the Eternal Divine Path.
What is the relationship between the Fifth Seal and the rest of
The Greatest Sign? It shows that universalism is necessary in
order for the Communities of Light to be manifested. It is a
part of the Plan of God. Bab as the Messiah, the First Begotten Son
of God, has brought it to us. It is a part of the greater truth, The Greatest Sign
and the Eternal Divine Path.
Each seal in The Greatest Sign is a part of a greater
truth. The Whole is greater than each part. The Whole has Life.
Separate each organ (part) from the body, and no life will exist.
However, parts are needed for life to manifest! The whole has many
different parts as a body has many different organs. When these
different parts (organs) are put together, life can be manifested.
Separate parts (organs) are lifeless.
That is why all these religions have to be put together, to give
life to God’s Plan and manifestation. Separate them and they become
lifeless. That is exactly what is happening to most of the religions
in the world right now. Do they have any life any more? No, they are
lifeless. All of them are dead. Their dead bodies are just lying
around all over the earth.
We need life. We are bringing life to humanity. We are putting
the organs together and saying, "You can’t have the stomach in Asia,
and the heart in Africa, and the brain somewhere else. You have to
put them together, then put the Spirit into it, and then you are
going to have Life." So we have brought Life to this world.
These organs together still need Spirit to have Life. Without
Spirit they will be lifeless. The Mission, as the Body and
all its components (Parts), has to be received in whole. Our
teaching is the Spirit (Life) giving life to these parts. These
together will manifest the Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth (KOHOE).
Accepting only one (or a few) part(s) of the Mission and
rejecting other parts is like receiving a few organs of the body and
expecting to have a normal life (receiving life). It will not work.
You cannot accept a part of the Mission and not accept another
part. You can’t say, "OK, I accept The Greatest Sign, but I
am not going to practice your rituals," Or, "I accept only
Christianity, Judaism and the Far East Philosophies, but I am not
going to accept Islam because it is after Christ."
Each part, however, is necessary for the Body (Mission) to
function properly. Of course, some organs (Parts) are more vital
than others are. Some parts are like the brain in the body, if it is
not there the body will die. Some others are not that vital, but
they are good to have (followed, accepted, etc.)
The Greatest Sign and the Eternal Divine Path are
the answer for human salvation, physically, mentally and
spiritually, individually and collectively. The Mission is
the whole Body and Soul. It has life. Any separated part (not
accepting the whole) will die fast.
The Mission unifies all the great religions of the world.
It fulfills all the prophecies. It shows the way to bring the KOHOE.
It brings individual and collective salvation to humanity. It shows
the shortest path to the Highest Spiritual achievement. It is the
answer to all human longings, physically, mentally, emotionally, and
spiritually, individually and/or collectively.
We Respect all religions in their original form. They are all a
part of us, so is the Bab/Baha’i faith. All should join under the
Banner of The Greatest Sign, to be(come) One. So we all can
say: One world, One humanity, under One God!