Question: What is the most pressing need of humanity today?
Maitreya: What is the most pressing need of any
person? Knowing God, knowing Self. That's the need of humanity too,
to know God completely. And what is the true God? The true God is
everything and everywhere. It's all of us, all of humanity and all
of the earth. If He is everything, why is there so much disunity? If
each person realized that God is everything, then there would be no
disunity, such as separating each other by nations, places,
What is creating all this confusion right now on the
earth? We separate one from another. So, the most pressing problem
on earth is, not knowing the true God which unifies. There is Unity.
Because humanity doesn't know that true God exactly
as He is, they follow dogmas. The moment any philosophy, any
ideology, any teacher, etc. separates a group of people from another
group, that is dogma. Dogma means to separate. Anything which
separates man from man is not from God. The moment a teaching
becomes separative, that is dogma.
So the most important thing to realize is to know
the real God, which doesn't separate. Let all those who follow
philosophies which separate everything from themselves eventually
realize that what they preach is not from God. If it is not from
God, then they're following the wrong philosophy, the wrong
It doesn't matter how wonderful it feels or looks.
If you study deeply the great religions of the world, you will see
their followers are not really following the philosophy or the
teaching of the teacher but the dogmas in that religion. Also many
are there because they feel they would like to belong to a group, or
tradition. They feel more secure because they receive courage from
other people. They feel more comfortable with like-minded people.
They are there because they can obtain help from those who they
think are following the same philosophy. They really are not wanting
God, which is beyond all of these little needs.
The real God fills you so well, you really don't
need crutches. So the real problem is spiritual. It is being
disconnected by many different crutches, many different
philosophies, doctrines, dogmas, etc. The most pressing need of
humanity today is, not knowing the true God and not being connected
to the Source.
Question: Is what you're suggesting to
humanity then, that they empty their cup of social consciousness,
whether it's a church dogma, religious dogma or whatever they're
doing -- for none of it works -- and look deeper at whatever it is
that's facing them?
Maitreya: That is right. That is very, very
true. It is the problem realized by every Prophet, every spiritual
teacher, every great realized spiritual being. Humanity has these
problems with realizing the Formless, Nameless, Invisible and
Eternal God. To realize that Essence needs discipline, needs real
thinking, meditation and also we need Grace, of course, to realize
That's why when Esa saw the woman at the well who
said, When the Messiah comes, we will know the Truth; Esa said, The
Messiah has already come. And the woman said, Well then, we are
going to worship our god in these mountains and stop going to
Jerusalem (she thought the Messiah would support her philosophy that
God is in their mountains, like anyone who thinks The Messiah shall
accept their philosophy as the true one!). He said, You don't have
to worship in the mountains or Jerusalem, you have to meditate and
worship God in the Spirit. The Spirit is within. The Spirit is
Invisible, Formless and Nameless. This teaching was given 2,000
years ago and we still are not following it.
When Moses came back off the mountain he said, I saw
God. He couldn't explain what he saw. Why? Because what he saw and
what he felt was the Spirit. That he couldn't explain. Teachers all
through history never could explain how God looks. But humans like
to have something they can touch, they can look at, they can have a
picture of and say -- This is God.
We want a name for It. Even Moses asked God, What is
your name, they will ask your name when I go to the people, the
Children of Israel. He said, Just tell them, I Am that I Am. I just
Am. I have no name. I have no shape. If God had a shape or had a
picture of Himself, He would have given it to Moses and said, Here's
my picture. Go to the Children of Israel and let them know this is
your God and that is His Name, follow Him.
But He couldn't do that. He doesn't have a picture
of Himself. He doesn't have a Name. Even his Sacred Name cannot be
pronounced in the material world. That's why the Children of Israel
stoned a person who would try to even utter the name of the Lord.
Not because they were afraid that the name would be uttered, but
because you cannot utter His Sacred Name. The moment you put It into
words, It's no longer His name. So it cannot be given as a word --
be spoken or written.
We are asking humanity to break these bondages, to
free themselves from these dogmas, from this social consciousness.
It's not only social consciousness, it is intellectual
consciousness, spiritual consciousness, physical consciousness, etc.
There are a lot of pitfalls not only on the physical level, but also
on the spiritual level. There are many, many traps even on the
ethereal level that have to be broken. That's why it's said, Many
are called but few will be chosen.
Why will few be chosen? Because, breaking all these
bondages is something that is not that easy. Humanity hangs onto
these crutches. So we're not asking an easy task from humanity.
There are people who have already gone through it. They are the ones
who are the Elders. Even they have not broken loose of everything
The Elders are willing to at least go to the Source
and break these bondages, to go beyond these little crutches or
anything that binds them on this earth, or binds them on the
ethereal level, or binds them any place on the path to the Essence.
The Essence is Formless, Invisible, Nameless and Eternal (FINE). It
is neither male nor female, It is both. At the same time, He is
Form, He is Visible, He has a Name, He is in this earth. He is the
Essence that is none of them, but also He is all of them.
The ultimate state, therefore, is Pure Consciousness
where we see God on all levels and know Him to be all these and
beyond. The goal is to raise everyone to that level. This is where
the Kingdom within is. That is where the Kingdom of Heaven in Heaven
If you believe in heaven as a place to go, that is
still a trap. If there is a place to go, that place is built or made
of something. It's made of ether. That is still not the ultimate. If
it is made of something, it is not the Essence. The Essence is that
which has no form, no place, no shape, no name...!
Question: Can you talk more on the three
Kingdoms of Heaven that are taught in The Greatest Sign?
Maitreya: Some people say the Kingdom of
Heaven is within you. Others say, No, the Kingdom of Heaven is only
possible when you go to heaven (after death). Some others say, the
Kingdom is only when you bring God's government to earth. Like
everything else, we teach all of them are right.
The Kingdom of Heaven is within you. The Kingdom of
Heaven is in heaven, when you reach Pure Consciousness. Also the
Kingdom of Heaven is on earth, because it's been promised in every
Scripture that His Kingdom will come on earth -- on earth, not in
the ethereal level.
So when you look at The Greatest Sign, you
see three Stars of David. One Star of David is very large in the
center of The Greatest Sign (the Kingdom of Heaven in
Heaven). One Star of David is the second sign which is the symbol of
the Hebrews (the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth). The third one is the
sixth sign, which is the symbol of the Kingdom of Heaven within us.
The Kingdom of Heaven in Heaven is already
established. God is the King and the whole universe is His Kingdom.
He is everywhere and everything. He guides everything in this
universe, it doesn't matter how mind-boggling it is for us to
imagine what the universe is. That universe is twenty billion light
years. That means, if you could travel with the speed of light
twenty billion years, you might reach a point where you would know
there is something beyond -- there are more universes beyond that.
How vast is God? How can He manage this universe? If
we stretch our imagination, our brains become tired to think twenty
billion light years. This means it is even beyond our imagination.
It takes a long time -- a couple of years -- just to count to one
million. Then one billion is one thousand million. And there are
twenty of these billions. So it's a very, very incredible number for
us to consider. Still the universe is greater than that. That's what
God is and is beyond.
Then, He is also within us, because God is
everywhere and is our Essence. So if we know our Essence and know
that Essence is One with the universe and God, then we create the
Oneness with God. We know His Will. We know His Kingdom. We know His
Feelings, His Mysteries. Then we become a mystery.
He is a Mystery, so we become a Mystery, like God.
Everyone wants to put God into a small concept, everyone then wants
to put you into a small concept, or categorize you. They say, for
example, "You are from here" -- I don't feel I am from there. "You
are an intellectual" -- I am not intellectual. "You are not
intellectual" -- I am intellectual. "You are from the East" -- I'm
from the West. "No, you're from the West" -- No, I feel Eastern. All
these things become so important for them, such small little things.
It's like they say if we cannot put you in a comfortable category
for us, we cannot relate to you. If they can categorize you, then
they can say we do not like this category!
It's just like a computer. If it's in this file, go
this way. If it's in that file, go that way. But if you become the
whole computer, then you contain all the files. Then the people
can't relate to you. They can't see the differences in you. You
become a mystery. They can only work with one file at a time! They
cannot go beyond their concepts. They love to categorize you.
So when you reach your Essence, you know that is
God. Then you have the Kingdom of Heaven within you. Actually there
is a custom in India which says, never ask a spiritual person what
caste he's from. It's against the cultural norms to ask a spiritual
person what caste he's from because he goes beyond any caste. They
realize they cannot categorize those people who reach higher
consciousness. They no longer feel like they belong anywhere or to
anything. That is the Kingdom of Heaven within you -- when your
essence and God's Essence become one, or you realize your Essence
and God are One!.
God is the Kingdom, as the Kingdom in the universe,
and you can become one with Him. Is that enough? No. God also wants
to establish His Kingdom on Earth. That is when he chose a people,
who eventually became the Hebrew people. In the Old Testament He
shows what He wants from humanity -- He wants to be a King. He wants
to be the King of humanity. He doesn't want people to accept human
kings. He wants them to accept Him as their King.
In the Old Testament people wanted to choose an
earthly king. Samuel went to God and said, God, they rejected me and
they want an earthly king. God said, No, they didn't reject you,
they rejected Me by wanting an earthly king.
God said, Go tell them they can have their king. But
remember that this king is going to enslave them, take their
children to war, put a big burden on them for taxation and make his
will as their will. He's going to put all these burdens on them. If
they want that kind of king, go ahead, choose whoever they want.
Then they brought all the great people around and
because Saul was a tall and handsome man, they said, We want him.
They chose Saul as king. And what happened? Exactly what God told
Samuel. He put burdens on them, taxed them, took their children to
war and after awhile they lost the connection with God.
Judges in the Old Testament worked like Elders -- or
the Eldest in our system. They weren't king, they were advisors of
the system for the people. So Moses actually brought the system we
present now to earth then, almost the same system that we represent
to humanity. Moses entrusted it to the Children of Israel but they
lost it later on.
That's what He (God) wants. He implemented it over
l2,000 years ago. He withdrew it when the Atlanteans failed.
Humanity fell again 3,500 years ago. They fell to appearances; they
fell to wanting a king, an earthly king, and they rejected Him.
He wants to see His Kingdom established on earth. In
The Greatest Sign, not only is it pictured that there is a
Kingdom in Heaven and a Kingdom of Heaven within you, but there is a
Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. So there are three Kingdoms of Heaven.
Question: Two-thousand years ago, when Christ
was on earth, He taught a prayer, "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be
done on earth as it is in heaven..." So this is the fulfillment of
Maitreya: Exactly. As you see in the prayer,
it doesn't say Your Kingdom come in heaven. It's already established
there. And it doesn't say, Your Kingdom come within us -- which He
also preached, the Kingdom of Heaven is within you somewhere else in
The emphasis is also that His Kingdom comes on
earth, on earth -- in the whole earth -- not to only a portion of
the earth. Now some people take these words, "Thy Kingdom come on
Earth" as also, the Kingdom within you, which is not the same. That
is a misunderstanding of the teaching of Christ. He always teaches
in the moment.
People say he contradicted himself in many places in
the Bible. He didn't contradict himself. The thing is, the universe
and teaching is so vast, and
every moment has Its own teaching. If you start putting all
these moments together and try to find what the truth is, you feel
they are contradictory. Yet, they are not.
That's why he said, "Sufficient unto the day is the
evil thereof." This means, live in the moment -- today, adapt
yourself to today's problem. The eventual goal is to bring the
Kingdom of Heaven in all three levels. When the Kingdom of Heaven
within you, the Kingdom in Heaven and the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth
is established, then the Kingdom of God has been established on all
Maitreya-ji, say for
instance, a person has acknowledged the Kingdom of Heaven within and
he realizes that the Kingdom of Heaven in Heaven is established.
Now, he wants to work toward helping to bring the Kingdom of Heaven
on Earth -- which has been prayed for, for 2,000 years. How would
you suggest that he/she start to open himself from the Kingdom of
Heaven within to the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth?
Maitreya: As we just said, God wants to be
the King. There should be a focus to unify all to His Kingdom. In
creation, for anything to be, there must be a center which is the
focus. There is a center in every atom, every solar system, and
So that is why the question of the Messiah, or the
coming of the King, or the coming of the Promised One comes in. If
you realize the Kingdom of Heaven within you, and you realize that
God is the King of the universe, then you're close to His Will. And
if you are close to His Will, then you realize that His Will has
The Greatest Sign, through THOTH and through
the Mission. With this realization you will see who Maitreya
is, who the Messiah is, who the Promised One is.
See, it's very important to find the Messiah, to
find the Promised One. There should be only one, because if you have
two, then there are two centers. If you have three, you have three
centers. If you have four, four centers. Then you create separation
-- don't you? So you have to find the One. If it is not Me, find the
One who is. If you find the One who is, let's rally around that
There are two ways to realize that center as the
Messiah -- you first realize with your mind and your heart, and then
is the time to proclaim Him with your mouth. When your mind, your
heart and your mouth become one, then you have realized exactly who
the Messiah is. If your mouth cannot proclaim, or your heart does
not believe, or your mind cannot see the truth, you have not become
One with Him yet.
When the mind, heart and mouth become One, then you
and the Messiah are One. You become a part of the body and as the
body fills itself up, it becomes stronger and stronger. So to answer
your question, find the Messiah, realize who He is, proclaim Him and
become a part of the Body.
What is the Body? For instance, the human body has
many parts with different functions. These are my hands. They cannot
do the function of my eyes. So if my hands say, "No, I want to
become your eyes," then I'm in trouble, because I cannot see
anything. The function of the eyes is to see and the function of the
hands is to pick things up or move things around. If my eyes want to
become my feet, it doesn't work.
So the Body means the collectivity of the people who
have different talents, different abilities. When they come together
they put their abilities together, just like a puzzle. They will fit
together to help each other. As more of these pieces of the puzzle
come together, the puzzle (Body) starts shaping itself to the shape
and the picture that it's supposed to be.
So the next step after becoming one with the Body,
is to find your place in the Body. Where do I fit in? What can I do?
What is my talent? How can I help the Body, with my talent? Where do
I really fit in?
You already see that the older systems are
crumbling. There is too much stress on the systems on earth. There
has never been such great stress on human systems, cultures, and the
people. It's no longer "them" l0,000 miles away from us with whom we
have nothing to do. It doesn't work that way anymore. What happens
l0,000 miles away, affects us here. And whatever we do here, affects
So we come closer and closer, and the earth becomes
smaller and smaller in the sense of our relationships on a global
level. We need a new earth, a new system. We need a new heaven, this
is a new way of realizing the Spirit of God on earth. We brought the
book, The Plan. We have The Map as the
new earth and
The Light as the new heaven. So we have brought the
new earth and the new heaven on earth. Now we have to build this
Body together. As we build this Body, we become stronger and
stronger, and prepare ourselves for the new, as the old system
We are not against the old systems. They are no
longer functional. We are not revolutionaries. We're not here to
make a revolution against the old system and start trying to topple
them. We have to make them realize, we are not against them.
Actually their presence here is very necessary right now.
Just imagine if you took the whole system away right
now, there would be more chaos. So then we have to pray for them to
do their job and stay as long as it is necessary. Yet when they
finish their function, they have to go. And when we reach that
point, humanity needs something to replace it. If we don't prepare
ourselves now, what's going to happen then? Another chaos, isn't it?
So that is how we are able to help the coming of the Kingdom.
Question: Then you're suggesting,
that the people who have come to the point of knowing the Kingdom of
God within need to open themselves out now, to find that Kingdom in
each other and then to rally around the Messiah, the Son of God who
has been sent, who is here, to proclaim Him and then to move their
talents in the direction of the Communities of Light?
Maitreya: Very well put. See, 2,000 years
ago, Esa came and chose twelve people. What did they do? They went
out and said, We've found the Messiah. And that was enough to build
a fire that burned all through the earth. That's all they did --
We've found the Messiah. That is what those who are one with their
Essence, know the Kingdom within and realize this is the answer to
human problems and everything that they have been praying for, also
have to say.
We have found the Messiah. They don't have to go to
the streets and yell, "We have found the Messiah." They would
probably be put in the madhouse. They can start from their families.
They can start from their friends. They can start from those people
who will listen to them. Also, present them the truth, present them
the unification and the unifying force behind The Greatest Sign,
behind THOTH, behind the teaching.
The Body is also here as a symbol of the
manifestation of God's Will. You want to know His Will? That is what
the Messiah is for -- He comes to earth to say, "This is my Father's
Will. Do it." Esa came and said, "This is what the Father wants from
you." But the Jews rejected him -- which was in the Plan, that was
to happen, as is explained in our teaching.
So that is His Will. Have you come here to do God's
Will? If you have and if you realize that our teaching is His Will,
then you have a great responsibility to become a part of the Body
and to proclaim Him -- Yes, the Messiah is here. Of course, you
don't have to accept it if you don't want. It is the free will of
humanity to accept and accelerate the coming of the Kingdom, or
reject and decelerate Its coming. There is no other way. That is the
way to proclaim that we love the Lord.
Question: Is what you're saying that you can
see the progression of humanity? As you came under your other names
and your other guises in the early history of humanity, you were not
proclaimed as the Messiah. Two thousand years ago, humanity
progressed to the point where they recognized and proclaimed you as
the only begotten Son of God which stimulated humanity for two
thousand years. Now we've come to a point where, here you are again
and we're being asked to go further than to just proclaim you as the
Messiah -- to actually come forth now with the community, which will
bring forth the Kingdom of God on earth. We're being asked, as a
Kingdom in Nature to make that quantum leap from the recognition of
the Messiah to the work in the Will of God.
Maitreya: Well, this time it's a combination of
all previous lives. It's not only to realize the Messiah but also to
participate in the work. Realizing the Messiah is the beginning
point, it's not the end. After you realize that, then you start the
work to build the Body, to become a part of the whole, to create the
initial elders hierarchy, to create the Communities of Light,
to create the manifestation of the hierarchy from the Communities
of Light, and to bring about all possibilities for human
progress on all levels of human existence, physically, mentally and
It is not enough to say, Well, I've found the
Messiah. You must also work on yourself to become a part of this
process that we have already given. So this time everything has been
given all together. There's more than one aspect to be revealed.
It's not only Grace, or Love, or the communities, or mysticism, or
the Mystery Schools like in Hinduism or the Kabala, communities by
the Children of Israel etc. Grace came by Esa, Law with Muhammad,
Universalism with the Baha'is. See all of these truths make us
realize that each reveal a part of the greater Truth.
You see, when you put a lot of parts together, the
Body you will create is greater than the parts. So, this time it is
no longer a part, but the whole Body of Truth together. It's not
only the Kingdom of Heaven within you. It's not only the Kingdom of
Heaven without you. It's not only the Kingdom of Heaven in Heaven
but all three. It's not only realizing who the Messiah is, but also
doing the work. It's not only the Bhakti Yoga, devotion to God or
the Messiah but also Jnana Yoga, knowledge, and Karma Yoga, work. It
is a combination of all of these which have come to humanity.
Of course, if you are only devotional, you still
have a place in the Kingdom, because your love, your devotion --
beauty of glorifying God through devotion -- still pleases the Lord,
because it pleases you. If you have a lot of knowledge, fine. As
long as you use it for the Kingdom, to create the Kingdom of Heaven,
it is useful and accepted by the Lord. If you are a good Light
Worker, you do the work but surrender the result to the Lord, again
you do Karma Yoga. And also if you do this work toward the creation
of the Kingdom, you're accepted and blessed.
So again we are asking every person to go out from
where they are, to expand themselves to a greater Self, something
that's difficult because humans are usually more comfortable with
where they are at. If I know this much, and I'm comfortable with it,
why do I want anything else? Maitreya is asking. Yes, you
know a lot. You are wonderful. You are beautiful in what you know
but there is more.
See? That is where the people probably start to
create resistance. See, I know so much. Yet Maitreya is
asking me to know more and even go beyond. I know a lot about the
West, for instance. He's asking me to also learn about the East. Or
I know a lot about the East but He's suggesting, Well you have to
also know about Western knowledge, or technology, or computers.
All this expansion of the human mind is going to
happen. The only difference is, the coming of the Messiah and His
teaching will accelerate the process.
Audience: As you were speaking, my thought
went to so many people who say, What is an expanded consciousness?
What is an expanded awareness? You've answered that here in saying
that everything that they've ever known or ever come in contact with
is part of their expanded consciousness or perception. If they were
taught something twenty years ago and they learned something
different, maybe they thought, This is it! Yet, in order to do that,
they had to drop what they previously knew. They threw that out and
said, No, that's no good, that's not it. What I know now, this is
it. Then they go along and learn a whole bunch of other things.
Again they drop everything that they had before and say, Oh, this is
it. Yet they continue to find that this isn't it. So an expanded
perception for them could be to pick up everything that they dropped
and realize that there is truth in all of it. When they take those
pieces and put them all back together, they've really got an
expanded consciousness or an expanded perception. Then they realize
that even that is a small part of what they can have and what there
is because there are infinite possibilities. That's what I'm
Maitreya: That's very true. Each person, on
any level of consciousness, has some truth. In that level of
consciousness, that is his or her truth. We can explain to him or
her in that way not to judge. How can you judge another person, when
you are in this level of consciousness and he or she is in another
level of consciousness?
The expanded consciousness sees all of these
consciousnesses, understands them, sees they are in one part of the
expanded consciousness and the only thing he or she can do is to
help them to go a little further -- to expand their consciousness a
little bit more. When you reach the point where there is no concept
left, there is nothing to bind you, really then you are in expanded
To obtain the ultimate expansion of consciousness
The Greatest Sign. It will shatter any narrowness of the
mind, and free you from all bondages!