Question: My concerns are spiritual but I seem to be involving
myself with things that I think are of the world. Or I have in my
mind that politics are not good. And then I think there's good and
bad. I have that ingrained thought in me that can we be in the world
and not be of the world?
Things go well, I meet people I wanted to see,
sometimes coming out of a place I'm going to. But I wonder is this
right? What am I supposed to be doing? I want to be doing what I was
created to be doing at this time. I try to do my best, but at times
I get doubts and I'm like a seesaw, back and forth. Maybe this is
not right and then maybe it is right -- it's right in front of me.
Maitreya: The question is really from the
heart. A lot of people, probably, have this same question: Is this
situation that we are in now right?
Your question is, if you are here to be in the world
but not of it, why are you so involved in mundane things that just
seem to keep dragging you down all the time?
In any transition period you are working in two
worlds at the same time. You have to adapt yourself to the situation
you are living in now, at the same time keep your eye on the goal --
where you are going, and what is the reason that you have been
created to be here.
The reason we have been created to be here is to
create the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, and to bring God to all
levels of human life. Now you said, are politics good? There's
nothing bad in this universe, it depends on how it's used and to
what that energy is directed. So even politics is not bad if it is
Remember in our teaching everything is from three
kinds. It can be from ignorance, passion or knowledge. So if the
political system is based on ignorance, it creates a situation that
puts humanity in a position where they will suffer.
If it's from passion, that also will bring suffering
because that is based on what I can get out of it. It becomes a
business of the political system. If it's from knowledge, sure, why
not? If a person has been chosen to be a leader, to manifest God's
qualities, bring good to people and use the power of the office for
the good of humanity, that is a good political system.
So again, we have to go back and see if the system,
or the action we're doing, is from ignorance, passion or knowledge.
If it's not from ignorance, it's not from passion and it's from
knowledge, then it's FINE.
The ultimate goal is to come out of this mundanity.
The way to be in the world but not of it, is the creation of the Communities of Light. As we create the
Communities of Light,
we each share. Just for instance, right now since another person has
come to be with us, we help one another and all of us are less in
mundanity. We are much less in the world because we don't need the
world as much. We have each other and because of that we can
concentrate on higher things, on God. If we kept separating
ourselves from one another, each trying to deal with the situation
and at the same time have our eyes on the Goal, that's hard. That's
going to be difficult.
I used to tell a story about a father who had five
sons. These sons didn't get along with each other, they quarreled
with one another all the time. The father was very upset about this
situation yet he didn't know what to do about it.
Eventually he put five sticks of wood together,
called all his sons and said, Come here, to whomever of you could
break this wood, I'll give all my belongings. He was a very rich
person, so they also were fighting over his possessions. Every son
came, each one was a strong man, and tried to break the five sticks
together. They didn't succeed.
This old man said, Now I can break them. They said,
No, you can't break them. We are younger and stronger than you. How
can you, an old man, break these five sticks? It's very easy, he
said. He separated the sticks and broke them one by one. Then he
said, If you come together and be strong, it's hard to break you.
You have strength and power together. You can withstand any problem
or whatever comes to you. But if you stay alone, and each separated
by yourselves, it's very easy to break you.
That is also true in the Kingdom. It is said that
the crowd, the number, is the hand of God. The more numbers there
are, the more God-conscious people who come together in the name of
God and put their differences aside and become One, the stronger the
Kingdom will be, the stronger the people will be and each person
will be strong in the group. It doesn't matter how many problems
come to that group, those problems won't destroy them because they
have a strong base.
Just like the Hebrew communities, they withstood the
problems for the last 6,000 years. Why? Because they have a strong
community feeling, strong family feeling. It doesn't matter if they
were destroyed in one place, their base never could be destroyed
which was the strength of the community. They always could build on
If the base is rotten, the whole house falls. If you
have a good base, it doesn't matter if a tornado comes and takes the
top off, still you could put another top on because you have a good
strong base. Yet if you have a base that the ground always falls out
from underneath the house, what will happen to this house? It
doesn't matter how beautiful the top is, that house isn't good. It
will eventually fall into the ground.
So the base of the whole Kingdom is the
Communities of Light, the strength of all the people together.
With creation of the oneness and coming together to create the
community, we'll go away from the world. Then the Communities of
will be in the world, but not of it.
We have to come together. People have to come to
create that strong base for the Kingdom.
Comment: We've lived out where we live before
there was any electricity, or anything. So now, I've adjusted to
where I feel I can do without a lot of the goodies. I like the
basics. I'd like to go to building the outdoor oven where my
grandmother used to bake her bread. You heat it with wood. I'd like
to go do that even if I have my stove. I'd like to find ways to live
using the natural resources that the planet has. Like I used to
raise my own vegetables. I look for things like that.
Maitreya: But have you been able to follow your
wish or have you been pulled with the technology and television?
Comment: Well, it doesn't pull me that way. Oh,
we have a television but if we didn't have it, we wouldn't even miss
Maitreya: I know, but have you left completely
to live like your grandmother?
Comment: No, I don't. I drive a car.
Maitreya: You drive a car. You have a
television. You have a stove. So probably you use some of the
facilities of technology. You see, although you think, or you want,
to stay as before, the force of technology and the comforts of life
bring everyone to use these facilities.
So you see, we have no choice but to accept that
technology has comforted our living. There's a different degree for
different people. How much do they want to go into it? Some people
go all the way, with the latest technology. Some people use some,
and some people still resist the technological revolution. Yet
eventually they see, they have no choice. They have to put money in
the bank. They have to use the bank teller. They have to use the
stove. They have to use the gas. They have to drive the car. They
are being pulled into it.
Humanity has only scratched the surface of the
technological advancements and energies which are available in the
universe for them to use.
Question: Would it be something that would
Maitreya: That is what the new technology has to
work on. But it is not going to be given to humanity if they want to
misuse it as they have done with conventional powers. As we create
the Communities of Light, as we create the Kingdom of Heaven
on Earth, this new technology will be released to humanity. Right
now we are on the brink of discovering technologies which are very
useful. There is unlimited energy available to humanity without
polluting the earth.
Like electricity -- electricity can be obtained
without polluting the earth, without fusion or atomic energy. These
make a lot of waste which we have to bury all over the world. Now
we're reaching a point where we don't have any place to bury it
anymore. We don't know what to do with it.
So humanity is in that place to unlock the secrets
of these wonderful technologies but you have to be ready for them.
You don't put a knife or a gun into the hand of a child, do you?
Neither does the Spirit. Spirit is not going to give that
technology. You see everything in the universe can be used for good
(God) or bad (evil). Nothing is evil or Divine in itself, it becomes
evil or Divine in the way it's used.
So that technology can also be used Divinely, or it
can be used in an evil way. We are still like children at each
other's throats on earth. We say, "My interest only is important,
not yours or someone else's. So we cannot have that technology. If I
have that technology then I say, Everyone else has to listen to me,
because I'm very powerful. I have this technology and power, and if
you don't listen I'm going to blow you up."
Then the other person goes and finds that technology
and says, "Now I have that technology, now I'm going to blow you up
too." And what happens? Again zero option because we're afraid to
blow one another up, not because we want to come together, share
this earth together and be in it as the Children of God.
When we learn our lesson, then we learn that we have
to come to understand that this earth belongs to God and we are all
His Children. Then also God will release His Knowledge to us. There
are infinite universes and there's infinite energy there. Just tap
into it. We're going to have energy for probably the next infinite
billions of years. Even the energy used can be returned to energy.
Everything is convertible in this universe.
So I don't think we should shun technology but we
should seek to bring the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Using
technology will not only comfort our life but we will realize it's a
part of God. For example, electricity has mind. It has a brain. It
is a part of God.
They use electricity for computers and computer
science where they do incredible things. So that is a part of God.
We are using it, so we have to appreciate the spirit of electricity.
We have to respect electricity. We have to look at it, not as
something we can use the way we want, but as something to comfort
our lives. We have to use it conservatively, wisely and respectfully
as a part of God. When we learn that, then we're going to come up
with technology that will show us that the present technology is a
speck in comparison with what we can have.
Question: About the sixth seal, the sign of
could you talk a little bit about who is a Paravipra?
Maitreya: As explained in
there are basically four kinds of humans. You can categorize them,
in a very general sense not in a dogmatic way, as Shudra, Ksattriya,
Vipra and Vaeshya. Shudra means worker, the person who is interested
in physical work. He is a person who mostly is interested in
day-to-day living. He strives to have his food and have a place to
live. As long as his basic necessities are provided, he really
doesn't have that much ambition. That's all he wants, just a place
or situation where he has his basic needs.
The Ksattriyas have the warrior quality, or are
courageous people. They are leaders. They can't be satisfied with
just a little food and place to live. They want to explore. They
want to discover. They are pioneers. They want to go find new
frontiers, find new places. They are pioneers.
Vipras are intellectual people. They like to study,
to read, to understand, to go deep into finding different problems
that they can study, to understand what is going on in this
universe. They want to know the universe by their minds.
Vaeshyas are business people. They like to control
resources. They want to use economical means to control the earth.
They like to control the capital, the workers and the resources so
they can combine them to come up with the products that they can
provide and benefit from.
So each of these categories have their own
qualities. Each are necessary for human progress and the human
society. Also each of these categories like to dominate society. For
instance, in the very beginning the warrior class were the pioneers.
The Shudra class likes to keep everything quiet,
like it is. They don't want any person to come and stir up the
community. So that's why they don't like to do pioneering endeavors.
Yet, at the same time, they need protection. They feel they want
someone to protect them. They need a leader who will take them to
the battle -- whether it's battling the animal attacking the tribe,
or any other enemy -- the person who can organize, who can make them
follow him, go after him and make the community feel that there's a
father figure there.
The warrior class has those qualities. They have the
quality of valor, the quality of courageousness and all those
qualities that most of the people say, is chrisma. For instance, all
the tribes were afraid of the volcano. Everyone thought, it's god.
And everyone bowed down in front of the volcano. Then this
courageous, or warrior-kind of person says, No, I want to go to see
what is up there.
All the Shudras say, No, don't go, you're going to
be killed. The god's going to eat you up, up there. And this warrior
type goes up there. He looks and sees, Well, it's only fire at the
top of the mountain. He doesn't see anything else. And he comes
back. So the Shudra takes the courageous one to be god. He went up
there and came back. So they start bowing down in front of him and
make him a leader.
Anyway this warrior class eventually becomes
stronger and stronger, expands it's territories to cover other
tribes, then a territory and eventually it covers a large territory.
So he creates a country. That country becomes powerful, runs over
other countries, conquers other people and they become emperors,
Yet, as they became more powerful and became
emperors, they created large armies and they needed weapons. They
needed politicians, people who could politically conduct the affairs
of the state. The warrior person is not a politician, he's just a
warrior and a very respected person. He doesn't deal with politics.
He thinks everything can be solved by the force of the army.
As the territories of these emperors and kings
became large, they eventually realized that they needed a prime
minister, a wise man. They called him a wise man but really he's an
intellectual. This is a person who can see, think, figure things out
about other people and start the political process with other
As this position of the intellectual increased in
the kingdom, the intellectuals, little by little, became more and
more powerful. The king eventually became a figurehead. The king is
the king, yet the person who really runs the show is the politician
or the wise person.
So the era of the warrior class was transferred to
the politicians or intellectual class. The highest point of that era
was the Roman Empire. Eventually they became so intellectual that
they created the senate and the democratic system. One quality of
the intellectual is that they are very individualistic, they want to
keep individuality, freedom of expression and freedom of the
individual in the society.
The warrior class is not like that. He doesn't care
about the individuality. What he cares about is the power of the
collectivity. And so there is a conflict between the mentality of
the warrior class and the intellectuals.
We can see this right now in Russia. After the
revolution, the warrior class took over the action. They think they
can do anything with war and the military. Now Gorbachev is an
intellectual. He's going more toward freedom and individuality. We
can see that they have a conflict.
The intellectual also has an insatiable appetite for
pleasure. So whatever power and money they gain, they spend for
their individual pleasure. And as they spend this money, the
Vaeshyan class or the business class provides them with the
commodities that they need. So as they earn the money, they spend
it, and the Vaeshyan class or the businessmen take the money they
The kings in France eventually reached a point where
they owed most of their kingdom to the business class. So the
business class eventually became more and more powerful because they
had the resources. They gained the resources all over the world.
Europe and the rest of the world became feudal states. Very few
people had a lot of land, the rest were working for them. Even the
king was afraid of these feudals because they were so powerful.
The zenith, or the high point of this process was
the industrial revolution in Europe, when the businessmen came to
power. That was the start of the freedom of trade, and Communism.
These are completely opposite ideologies. One says there should be a
free market. We'll set the standard on the free market, we'll
motivate the people to do things. The other one says, No, that is
slavery. So those two ideologies started having a clash. And so we
have two camps on earth, both of them based on business.
Businessmen become the true power on earth. Because
they are controlling the resources, eventually the three other
classes, Shudras, Vipras and Ksattriyans or workers, warriors and
intellectuals, all become workers (Shudras). They all become workers
for the business class, because the business class has the
It doesn't matter how much education you have, if
you don't have money to invest when you come out of school, where
will you have to go? You have to go out and work for a company. So
you are really the worker in a big company.
That is when the other three classes become workers.
But the intellectual and warrior class cannot stand this for a long
time. Also if other devices occur, like no intervention of the
government with the business class, then eventually very few people
will have all the resources and the rest won't have any.
That is the prediction of the communist ideology.
That's when the workers will revolt against those few people who
have, and that's when they're going to have the revolution. Since
this ideology was explained, the industrial countries have tried to
split the wealth as wide as possible, so they never reach that point
where that kind of revolution happens.
Yet, in Russia at least, and in China it happened
because a few people had the power and most didn't. So eventually
the revolution of the people started. Usually this revolution
happens when the warrior class and the intellectual class become
very frustrated with the situation, and they become the leaders of
the Shudras (workers and farmers). Then with their leadership,
revolution takes place.
The moment the revolution starts, the moment the
worker class revolts, the class that comes to power is the warrior
class, because they are the people who have to calm the mass. The
mass doesn't really have that much of an organizational feeling. So
what happens is the workers start a chaos. For a short time there is
chaos. That short period is really when the worker class becomes the
Then the warrior class takes over, they create an
army and calm the mass. That is when the warrior class becomes the
dominating class. As in Russia and China, it was the warrior class
who came to power in the beginning, now we can see the intellectuals
When things start calming down and the warrior class
has the power over the people, and when the people become
comfortable and become more prosperous, then again the intellectuals
start to gain power. The intellectuals will come in and start taking
over the work of the government. Eventually they go toward
individuality; individuality eventually will promote businessmen and
businessmen become powerful. So this cycle goes on and on. If there
is not a system that checks this process, this will go on
That is where the Paravipras come in. Paravipras are
the people who have the qualities of all the four classes. If it's
necessary they can work like a worker. They can take a shovel and
dig the ground. And if it's necessary, they can do anything
physically. They have the quality of the intellectual. They can
understand things very well and deeply. They also have the quality
of the warrior, they are pioneers. They are not afraid of any new
thing, any exploration and going on to new discoveries, and also
they have a very good mind for business. They know how to use money,
money is not bad. As we said, nothing is bad in the universe, it
becomes good or bad in how you use it.
So, because they have the qualities of all those
four classes, they really don't belong to any class. They are beyond
any class because they understand each very well. Since they are
classless and are observers of the changes in the society, they can
see the signs in society of the end of the dominating class and the
coming of the next one. So they smooth things out and they transfer
the society from one phase to another phase.
Without having these Paravipras as the facilitating
body and without their understanding this process -- the process of
changing, especially when going from the business class to the
warrior class -- there will be a revolution, and that will create
conflict and destruction. Revolution means the movement starts from
the bottom of society and that usually creates a lot of friction
between the revolutionary elements and the ruling body.
If we have the Paravipras, those who have the
qualities of all four classes, they can work with each class and
understand them very well. As it is explained in THOTH,
there are weaknesses in each class which eventually bring their
downfall. Because of the qualities of the Paravipras, they will be
the Elders or at the top of the pyramid in society.
As the Seers, as the watchers of society from the
top of the system, they can see when a new era is approaching. When
the signs are there that the old class is losing power or becoming a
burden on society, it is then that they devise measures that
transfer human societies from one period to the other in an
Evolution comes from the top of society and it
usually doesn't create friction between the classes. So the transfer
becomes very smooth. That is why the Paravipras will be in the top
of the pyramid.
Also, not only do they have these qualities of the
four classes, they also have spiritual qualities and their spiritual
qualities make them incorruptible. They're incorruptible, and
incorruptibility in the leader is very important. If a leadership
corrupts itself or is corrupt, the rest of society will be corrupt.
As it says in the Bible, if the head is rotten, the whole
body will be rotten.
For instance, in this country there was so much
Grace. The people were so confident in the system until the war in
Viet Nam and the discovery of Watergate. That was when the
confidence of people in their government was destroyed. Why? Because
the head, the leadership, lost that incorruptibility. The people
realized, Yes, the leaders can be corrupt. That's when, in any
society, everything falls apart.
So the leadership and incorruptibility of the head
of the pyramid is most important. That is the reason that Paravipras
must not only have the qualities of the four classes but they also
have to be spiritual. They have to be God-conscious. They have to
realize Spirit. They will follow the Eternal Divine Path.
Then we are going to have the Kingdom on Earth.
So that is what the Paravipras are in general. And
that is how we can smooth life on earth in an evolutionary manner to
the point of perfection, to come a point that this earth is realized
as a place that belongs to all of us. Then we will live here and we
will manifest God in all levels of human life and consciousness.