Guest: We studied a
teaching which is said to be a teaching from the Maitreya,
for twenty years. Then we also have done other research. We spent
three months in Bodhgaya, India studying a Maitreya text,
showing the middle from the extremes.
Maitreya: This is very much connected to the
and their concepts.
Maitreya: What do you expect of
Guest: I don't expect anything. There have been
signs within my life that have showed that I have this connection to
that concept. This meeting with you arose unexpectedly through a
series of circumstances which I didn't create. So I thought I would
like to see what kind of connection there is.
My reason for coming out here is not to find out
whether you are the
or not the Maitreya. Having been around enough Tibetan Tulkus
the concept of reincarnation is a very complex one. To think that
you can intellectualize and definitely pin something down becomes
very obvious that that's not possible. But it is possible to discern
if there are connections to things, or if there are not connections
If there is no connection then it's almost more
interesting to me, because I want to know why that arose within my
own personality or my own mind space.
Maitreya: What kind of things happened in your
life that you felt you have a connection with Maitreya?
Guest: Probably the earliest is doing a
meditation on an image of Maitreya, and having a ball of
light come from the ceiling to reside on my shrine. That was
probably the first positive connection that I was aware of.
Maitreya: Was it an human image or just light?
Guest: The image I was meditating on, or the
Maitreya: The light that came to you.
Guest: The light was as a little ball of light
that came down from the ceiling. It actually rested on the flower
that was an offering on my shrine.
Maitreya: So you didn't see any image of
Maitreya? I was just wondering if he looked like me [all
Guest: No. I saw no image.
Maitreya: You just saw the Essence.
Guest: An affirmation.
Maitreya: You have received some of our
literature. Did you read any of it?
Guest: Yes, I went through it. I can't say that
I studied it extensively. I did read through it.
One of the questions that arose out of reading
through it, and then looking at your book THOTH I
stumbled across some more clues from the back of it but it's still a
question, that one religion the more people in the world belong to
than any other one, at least statistically, is not mentioned in
Maitreya: Buddhists, Hindus, Cabalists, Sufis,
Africans, Jamaicans, and those kinds of religions or philosophies
are all a part of the Mystical Paths. Buddhism, just like Hinduism,
can't really be called a religion. It's a philosophy. It is
something that works on you to connect you to the higher
consciousness, that connects you to the Universal Mind. No matter
how you explain it, still there is a process you want to go through
to become connected to the higher levels.
These kinds of religions, or philosophies, or
explanations, all fall into the first sign [pointing to The
Greatest Sign]. This first sign, or the very center here
[pointing to the I-Ching in the horizontal position], covers all of
the Mystical Paths.
Buddha was a kind of a mystic himself. He had an
experience. When he was enlightened, he became Buddha. That mystical
experience, of course, is different with every person.
Your experience is different than Ma's experience.
Keyosha's experience is different than Sarah's experience. These
experiences are very personal.
Since Buddha became Buddha, how many people have had
that same kind of experience as he had?
Maitreya: The exact experience as he had, is
Guest: Oh, well, there is no way I can say. I
don't know. I'm not enlightened, so I couldn't possibly tell you
what someone else's enlightened experience is, because I'm not
Maitreya: Well, I mean people who have had
different experiences, who explain God in different levels and from
different angles. To duplicate the same experience is very rare,
that you have had exactly the same experience that she did. Her
experience is different than your experience, and hers and hers.
The whole universe is just like a globe, and the
center is God. The center is consciousness. The center is
enlightenment. The center is Nirvana. The center is Pure
Consciousness, whatever you want to call It.
Every enlightened person sitting in a different
place on this globe are all looking at the same thing (the center)
from a different angle. And because they are looking from a
different angle, they see it a little differently. But they are
looking at the same thing. It is just like a word in one language
might not be said the same way, but the person who said it means the
That's why Buddhism is not categorized in any one
special religion because it also goes under the category of the
Mystical Paths. I know the Buddhist explanation is a little
different than the Hindu explanation of the same mystical
experience, but they still fall under that category.
Guest: Oh, I would agree with you that Buddhism
is not a religion. But I'd like to understand what you would
consider the difference between a religion and a philosophy.
Maitreya: According to our teaching, seven steps
have been revealed to humanity in the last 12,000 years, most of
them in the last 6,000 years. Each of these steps have one truth of
a greater truth.
It is just like the Mystical Paths -- any philosophy
or teaching that teaches that you have to go through a personal
journey to experience God, or experience the Spirit, or experience
Nirvana, or experience higher consciousness (or whatever you want to
call it), that is the beginning of your journey. That is the
individual endeavor to come to higher consciousness, to higher
Then we go to the Old Testament. There has
been the revelation of the Old Testament to the Hebrew
people, and the whole story of the
Old Testament. I don't know if you are familiar with that
book. You should be. You were born in the West, at least you should
have heard something about it. The Old Testament
explains that formation of the community is important in your
spiritual progress and in the well-being of humanity, the earth,
environment, and all things that we are connected to.
Even in Buddhism, Buddha taught Sangha and Dharma.
Sangha means community. Dharma means innate nature. So in a
community where every person follows his innate nature (dharma),
they create the Communities of Light.
Every Prophet or religious person, or person who has
had an experience, always talks about the community. There isn't a
Prophet who didn't talk about the community. Even Buddha taught two
essential things, Sangha and Dharma. Sangha means community.
But in the Old Testament it clearly shows
that God is looking for a people for Himself. He is looking for a
people who choose to be His people. That is where it completely
shows the Spirit wants to create Communities of Light.
The next step is Christianity which talks about
sacrifice, not to be self-centered. Of course, these things are also
talked about in other religions too. But the emphasis is given in
this step (Christianity). Each step (Seal) is talking about a
particular aspect of spiritual progress. Not being self-centered is
a very important aspect in the spiritual path.
If you are self-centered and selfish, what are your
doing in the spiritual path? You should be out there just like
everyone else, trying to get whatever you can, and having a
miserable life. You have a little house and live in it, you drink,
party, watch television, go to work, and are miserable for the rest
of your life. At the time of death you don't know what you came here
for and where you are going. That is the path of the flesh.
If you want the path of the Spirit, then you don't
become self-centered. You sacrifice the ego - ego go. The ego has to
go. The ego is not going to stay with you.
That is what the many Mystical Paths teach you, that
your ego has to go. You have to become open to the Spirit, to God,
and become a universalist. You don't stay narrow-minded in your
progress. All those things are related to sacrificing your ego.
But with sacrificing the ego, you still might become
attached to the result of your actions. So the next step is
submission. Submission means to be surrendered and submitted to the
Will of God. You do your work, that is another part of the teaching
of the Far East, you do the work but you are not attached to the
result of the work. The result is not yours. The only thing you do
is, as a channel, you do the work. There is no attachment to the
result. That is submission. That is Islam.
The next step is universalism. Maybe you are
attached to your race, language, nationality, or even earth. You are
still narrow in your consciousness. You have to become a
universalist. You say, "The whole universe belongs to God and I am a
part of it. That is where I belong." With this, you expand your
consciousness to see the whole universe, and create a universal
feeling. That is Baha'i.
If you meditate, understand the Mystical Paths, for
instance Buddhism, that is just the beginning of the path, according
to this teaching. The Mystical Paths are very vast. There are a lot
of aspects in them, but still that is an individual journey. That is
the beginning of the meditation or understanding.
Now you go toward bringing that energy to the
community and start creating Communities of Light. It is very
easy to go up to the top of the mountain, sit there, meditate and
say, "Wow, I'm such a great yogi. I'm such a great realized person."
It is just like that yogi who was meditating at the
top of the mountain for ten years. He was saying, "Wow, what a
wonderful yogi I am. I have no fear, no attachments, no desires, no
anger, no nothing. I can just sit here and be content with myself."
Well, one day he had to go to town. He had no
choice. Something came up that he had to go and take care of it. So
this big yogi came down from the mountain and walked in the streets,
going to the place where he wanted to go. Suddenly, someone came and
pushed him aside. He got so angry. He just started yelling at that
person. He said, "What do you think you are doing? You are pushing
me, this great yogi!"
Suddenly he realized, "Oh look, what is this anger
in me? Still it is there?" He realized he hadn't gotten there yet.
As long as he was at the top of the mountain and no one was pushing
him around, he was OK, he was a great yogi. But the moment he came
to the society, he realized, "No, not yet." He had a long way to go.
That's why Communities of Light are such
wonderful places. They actually accelerate your progress. It's easy
to have a house, to have your wife and children, your television,
your car, your dog, and you say, "Wow, I'm wonderful." But what if
you bring a couple of those couples together and they say, "Hey,
let's make it together instead."
It's even easier if you don't have a wife or
husband. You say, "Well, I'm wonderful. I don't have to deal with
these little things in life." It's very easy to do that. But the
moment you get yourself to that situation where you have to deal
with them, it accelerates your progress. You will see yourself in
even a greater degree.
That is really the path of Tantra, the path of going
through the situations, putting yourself in situations, realizing
what is affecting you, and then overcoming them. That accelerates
your progress even faster than avoiding that and saying, "No, I'm
great, I don't need all these things."
See in community, not only do you do individual
meditation, not only do you individually try to progress, which the
first step is the Mystical Paths, but you stay in the community, you
stay in the society. You stay in the Communities of Light.
Communities of Light are not the regular society
out there. In the Communities of Light you try to follow the
Eternal Divine Path. In meditating, trying to follow the Eternal Divine Path, and being in the community, that
accelerates your spiritual progress a hundred, and thousand-fold.
That is because in the Communities of Light, you have no
choice but to face yourself.
What is spiritual progress? It's to face yourself.
Doesn't it say, "Know thyself to know God?" That is the essence of
our journey, isn't it, to know ourselves? And how do we know
ourselves better than in a community that reflects ourselves back to
us all the time? We have no choice but to look at ourselves
That is scary for a lot of people. They don't want
to look at themselves squarely. They want to avoid it as much as
possible, to put anything they don't like about themselves on the
Whatever we like we put on the front burner and say,
"I'm such a wonderful person." But the things we put on the back
burner are more important to get rid of.
It is just like, you might have a little pimple. It
doesn't look too bad, it's just a little pimple. But it might be a
sign of a disease, a very grave disease. If you just ignore the
pimple, you might never know what you have. If you go to the doctor,
or if you know about the pimple and realize what that pimple is,
then you say, "I have to do something about it."
That's exactly like those dark parts of us, or those
creatures, or the ego, or whatever we want to call them, they are
there. It is easy to ignore them at the top of the mountain and
escape the society. But in the Communities of Light, you
See, there are many people who have been meditating
by themselves for many lifetimes during the last 12,000 years. Now
they are called back. The path of yoga, or the path of
self-realization by meditating, is the beginning. The eventual goal
is to reach a point where they can put you anywhere, and still you
stay calm and centered. You can go to the bar and not be affected.
You can go to work and not be affected. That is even greater than
escaping the world, going to the top of the mountain and saying,
So we see, that's how the Communities of Light
accelerate our progress. How can we create the Communities of
Light? By not being self-centered, by not being egoistical. That
is the symbol of Christianity.
How do you get The Grace? The Grace is always there.
You don't have to look for It. You don't go to the mountains to look
for Grace. Grace is always there and It is everywhere. The only
thing we are doing is we have our ego as an umbrella on top of our
heads, and we've not receiving It.
How do you receive It? You get the world away. How
do you get the world away? You take off your ego, your selfishness.
That is the essence of Christianity. That is the message of Christ.
Christ came and went all the way to the cross. Why? That was the
symbol of sacrificing the ego to receive The Grace. That's why
Christianity is related so much to Grace. It is not by your work, it
is not by your knowledge, it is by not being self-centered, that you
receive The Grace.
Even after that, your ego is still not completely
crucified until you realize that you have to surrender and submit
the result of your work. You do a lot of good things. The people
start progressing and you say, "Hey, I'm wonderful, I'm doing all
these things and I'm affecting so many people."
Then see, the moment you say, "I do such a wonderful
job," what is coming in? Ego is coming in, isn't it? You become
egoistical. You become self-centered and you fall. The Grace is
gone. Suddenly you do a lot of good things and nothing happens. You
become very unhappy and say, "What is it? I put all this effort and
it's not happening." Again, egoistical, self-centered, and you
become unhappy, depressed, etc.
But with surrendering, "I do this work. That's fine.
I put my effort. I give the Message out and everything. The result
belongs to the Spirit. It belongs to God." More important than that
is, "I'm submissive. I'm just a channel for God. I'm just going to
do my best and I don't care what happens. The result belongs to
God." So that is submission and surrendering.
Still, if you don't expand yourself and become a
universalist, you might create a narrow mind and direct your effort
only to a special place, a small place, your culture, your country,
even your earth, not to the whole universe. You don't understand
how, "My actions affect the whole universe," and how "I am
responsible for the whole universe." With that, you expand your
By your going through this Path, you become a
Paravipra. You have the Kingdom within, the Spirit will rise within
you, and you will reach to be in the image of the Spirit of God.
Not only is the Eternal Divine Path a Path,
not only does it explain the different religions, but it also
unifies them. It unifies Buddhism, Hinduism, Cabalism, Sufism, all
under one teaching, Mystical Paths. See, all of them are teaching
the Mystical Paths. The only difference is, they are going in
different doors. They are looking at the same thing from different
angles but they are all going to the same place.
The Sufi wants to go the same place. The Buddhist
wants to go to the same place. The Hindu wants to go to the same
place. The explanation might be a little different but they all want
to go to the same place. One calls it Pure Consciousness. Another
calls it Nirvana. Another calls it Krishna, or whatever they want to
call it. But the Essence of it is the same place, to reach that
state of connection with God.
One calls it God. Another calls it Jehovah. But the
Essence is the same. It also, of course, brings the Hebrews,
Christians, Moslems, and Baha'is all together, unifies all religions
together, and unifies everyone under one teaching.
That is what has been prophesied to come. That's
was supposed to bring to humanity, to unify all the religions of the
world together and bring the unifying force to humanity. And that's
what is here.
Guest: Another thing that I was curious about
that in a lot of the legends of Maitreya and a lot of the stories,
Shamballa plays an integral part. I saw nothing mentioned in the
literature that I got.
Maitreya: Those are symbolic things that have
been given to humanity, and a lot of people have taken them as
something that is tangible. Of course, apparently there are two
groups which work for these revelations. One is related to the
Masters. They are talking about Kut Humi and Master M, and all those
Masters with whom I am sure you are familiar. Aren't you?
Guest: I think I've heard some of this
Maitreya: They also talk about Shamballa, and
is in Shamballa. He is in a glorified body, and things like that.
That is one teaching that is very prevalent to the people who are
related to the Masters, etc.
Then there is a prophecy in the Scriptures, like the
Old Testament, the New Testament, the Koran,
and the great religions of the world. They are talking about the
coming of a Messiah. They call him Messiah, not Maitreya.
Christ was the Messiah, for example. He was one of the very well
known Messiahs who has been affecting humanity for 2,000 years.
Before he came, it was prophesied that that was how
he was going to come. "He is going to bring the new teaching. He is
going to bring the new wine." Of course, when he came, very few
people accepted him. They eventually crucified him (even that was
prophesied). But they couldn't stop his teaching. His teaching was
prophesied to come. That was from God. That was from Spirit.
Now we have the same situation here, that is, the
one who is prophesied by the Scriptures, "He comes, unifies the
religions of the world, explains the Scriptures," etc.
Even in the Bible it says, "Until the seventh
angel comes, God is going to be a mystery." We can see that each of
the seven seals [pointing to
The Greatest Sign] has an angel. This is the seventh seal
[pointing the The Greatest Sign] put together, so this
is the seventh angel. That is how
The Greatest Sign explains all religions and unifies them all
This fulfills the prophecy. Jews and Christians are
waiting for their Messiah to come from the East. Buddhists and
Hindus are looking for the Messiah to come from the West. Where I
was born is east of Jerusalem and west of Tibet and India. That's
another fulfillment of the prophecies.
"Many will come in his name and will call
themselves," Christ or Maitreya. Actually I didn't call
myself Christ. There was a gentlemen in England by the name of Creme
who took an ad in many newspapers in the capitals of the world. He
said that Maitreya is the Christ. He called Maitreya Christ. I'm sure you've heard of him.
I didn't even give the name Maitreya to
myself. I was given the name. So I didn't call myself the name
Maitreya. That again fulfills another prophecy.
There are two ways of looking at this thing. There
are the prophecies. God said this is the way it's going to come.
These prophecies are going to be fulfilled, and then you will know
that this is him. Or, we can say the New Agers, or the people who
are connected to the Masters, who say Maitreya is in
Shamballa and whatever you just referred to, and when he comes, he
comes from Shamballa, and then you know him.
Either these two are one, or they are two separate
things. If they are one, then Shamballa and the coming of Maitreya
and all those things have a symbolic meaning, and we
have to understand what is that symbolic meaning about Shamballa. Or
they are two different things.
If they are two different things, then we have to
discern which one is the truth, which one is from the Spirit and
which one is not from the Spirit. Are they two opposite forces, or
are they united?
If they are united, then if the prophecies are
fulfilled, they should be the same. If they are not united, we can't
have two Messiahs, because the Messiah is the nucleus.
It's just like the atom. The atom has only one
nucleus. If it had two nuclei it would no longer be one atom. It
would become two atoms. They could not be unified. They could not
sustain the energy. They could not become the building blocks of the
So there should be only one Messiah, as a nucleus,
as the power who brings the teaching and power from higher levels to
humanity. And this has always happened this way.
We have to discern and understand what is the
relationship between the two. Either we all eventually have to
become unified, and the people who are after the Masters and
Shamballa have to realize and bring their teachings to understand
the symbolic meaning of what they understand to these teachings as
the unifying force of the universe and become one, or we are two
different people and eventually the one who has the truth will win.
It will come out as the one.
Guest: So, are you saying that these are two
different things, or are you saying they are the same thing?
Maitreya: The time will show. If Mr. Creme came
and realized this is it, if the people who believe in the Masters
realized that their beliefs are true in symbolic way(s) and the Mission is what they are waiting for, then we are one. Otherwise
we are separated.
See, there are so many people channeling these
Masters. This channel says something different from another channel.
Kut Humi through this channel says something that this Kut Humi in
this channel says is different. Have you read these channelings for
the Masters? I'm sure you have, haven't you?
Guest: Oh, I've seen people say that they do
that. But just because someone says that they do something, that is
no indication that I believe that they do that, or I need to believe
that they do that. But that doesn't necessarily mean that there is
or there isn't a Kut Humi. That's a separate issue altogether.
Maitreya: I didn't say there wasn't.
Guest: Well, that was my question. I really am
not trying to put toward you what someone else says you're supposed
to be. I was asking about your opinion of Shamballa and the Masters.
Maitreya: If Shamballa exists, it should have a
dimension. Is that right? It should be a tangible place.
Guest: Not necessarily.
Maitreya: How do you understand Shamballa?
Guest: One aspect of the Shamballa legend could
be that it is a realm.
Maitreya: A state of consciousness.
Guest: A state of consciousness, and that all
sorts of beings, such as Christ, have ascended to these states of
consciousness. And that it is possible by using the images, like of
Christ and the path that he has created for people, that you too can
follow in his footsteps. Christ would be a Master. The people who
are affiliated with that type of energy, or have an affinity for
that type of energy, can proceed through that type of path. Then
Shamballa would be the place in which this type of consciousness
That wouldn't necessarily be a tangible place, a
location in a mountain valley, or something of that nature.
Maitreya: So, it is a state of consciousness,
according to what you understand, or you say that is just one
Guest: That's one. There are people who say it's
a place, and they claim to have been to that place. I haven't been
to that place. But that is another explanation for it. Personally, I
feel more comfortable with the explanation that it is a state of
Maitreya: If it is a state of consciousness,
then I can say I can go along with that. It's a state of
consciousness. So, Shamballa is a state of consciousness and whoever
reaches that state of consciousness is in Shamballa.
Is it the highest state, or is there anything higher
Guest: Is that a question you are asking me?
Maitreya: Yes, according to what you explained.
Guest: I wouldn't say it's the highest.
According to the legends which you read, it's the place in which the
great beings reside to help this solar system.
Maitreya: How do they reside there? Do they have
Guest: No. I mean how can you have a body and
reside in consciousness? This is according to the legend.
Maitreya: I'm just trying to find out exactly
what you understand, because I've heard Shamballa explained so many
different ways. Someone says it's somewhere in Tibet, that it
exists, that it's really a physical place. You could go there. Some
people say it's in the north pole. That's where it resides.
Now you say it's a state of consciousness.
Guest: That's what some people say.
Maitreya: Now I'm asking, is there any body for
this consciousness? No? There are no bodies. This is just
How do they help this solar system?
Guest: Well, much like it says in the sutras
when they talk about the Sravaka Buddhas and Pratekya Buddhas and
how they reach a certain self-absorption, or self-realization. They
remain in this state until a ray of light from the Buddha's eyes
awakens them and they realize that this is not the end, that there
is more, and that they are onto the Mahayana path and they can help
other people and that they realize that their evolution is directly
connected to other people's aspiring.
Well, this could be a very similar analogy that once
your mind has satisfied its karma, then it's open to the potential
of the affect of another mind to open you up and to realize that
there is more, to go on. Something of this nature.
Maitreya: In that essence, I can't disagree with
you. Actually that's fine. That sounds good because that is true.
The more you realize, the more you realize there is more to realize.
Eventually also you reach a point where you see your spiritual
progress is connected to the rest of the universe. It's not
something that you can just go by yourself and say, "Well, I don't
care about the rest, I'm going to go." You won't. You are just going
to be turned around and told, "No, you can't come in."
In that state, of course, there are many levels. You
are going to be helped, and be taken higher and higher.
Eventually you become as what we call, a Paravipra,
as a person who wants to help humanity, who wants to help the earth,
who wants to help the solar system, who wants to help the whole
That whole thing is based on the Communities of
Communities of Light based on the Eternal Divine Path.
The Eternal Divine Path
unifies all the religions of the world.
So, we are looking for the people who don't want to
get to the higher consciousness by forgetting the universe, by
escaping the universe. That's exactly what the teaching is here
also, that we are here to help, that our progress is connected to
other people's progress.
In that sense, then Shamballa does exist. You don't
have to call it Shamballa but that explanation is the same as what
we call higher consciousness. You can call it Pure Consciousness, or
whatever you want. In that sense, yes, that Shamballa exists.
What do you want to know about it?
Guest: I'm just feeling out questions and
getting a taste for what is the truth about Shamballa.
Maitreya: But that's probably not for you
because you believe it's a state of consciousness. But if you
believe in Shamballa as a physical place, as something that's in the
north pole, or in Tibet, then I have to tell you that whatever is
manifested, is not the highest. Even in the ethereal level, if you
do astral projection when you go to the ethereal level, and you meet
those wonderful Masters in the ethereal level, and they have bodies,
they have eyes, or they have hair, and they are sitting there. That
is not the highest because they still have bodies, they still have
something tangible, something manifested.
Consciousness is not something manifested.
Consciousness is much higher than even the ethereal level. That's
why I was asking you what you think about Shamballa.
Guest: Alright. Now I understand. A lot of times
there is so much waltzing because the definitions of words are so
imprecise and inaccurate that it often takes a lot of words to get a
sense or feeling for what is really being said.
In any sort of sense of evolution, there are always
people who are on one end of the spectrum and others who are on the
other end of the spectrum. A lot of people have the idea that unity,
everyone somehow gets to the same place. That somehow seems not a
very sufficient explanation because no matter what kind of society
you have you always need someone to pick up the garbage. There are
always going to be garbage collectors and there are always going to
be presidents or whatever.
How do you envision this unity in diversity?
Maitreya: Well, most of the humans who are now
on earth have been progressing for the last 12,000 years. This is
the time now that a lot of Souls are ready to take the next step.
That's why we have so much population. And that is why this teaching
It's not calling on everyone. But it's calling those
called to go to a higher level of consciousness, to see God, or to
see Spirit as something that has been behind all the religions. They
have come from the same Spirit and that is how they become unified.
Of course, according to the gifts of the Spirit,
each person has different abilities. But those abilities we consider
as mundane don't have to be looked down upon. Even a garbage
collector can be a realized person. You can be a president and not
be a realized person.
What we are trying to do is to spread this word.
We're not saying that everyone is going to be a leader. Not everyone
is going to become a Paravipra. Everyone has the right to live but
not to lead. Probably that answers you. Not everyone is going to be
We are going to have the garbage collectors. We are
going to have the presidents. But hopefully with these teachings,
the meditation, and with the realization of the people, more and
more the people will realize that the goal of their lives is to
That is the goal of the life. The goal of the life
is not to become a president. The goal of the life is not to be a
lawyer, a doctor, a teacher, a garbage collector, a policeman, or
anything like that. That is not the goal.
The goal of my life is to become Divine. Now if I am
a president and I am Divine, then I am a Divine President. If I am a
doctor and I am Divine also, then I am a Divine Doctor. If I am a
garbage collector and at the same time I am Divine, I am a Divine
That is why the mantra we give out is
Shrii Hung, Om Nam Kevalam. It means, The Goal Of The Life Is
To Be(come) Divine. That is the goal of the life. Om Nam
Kevalam, That Divinity (God) Is Everything.
So after awhile I can see everything is Divine
around me. That realization that everything is Divine and I am
Divine in that Divine, brings a higher level of understanding to
humanity. And eventually this separatism and separation that we have
created is going to be dissolved more and more.
Of course, the more people come to higher
consciousness, the more they realize that this earth needs help,
that we can't go on with what we are doing right now, because we
might just blow ourselves up.
The unity doesn't mean that everyone is going to be
there. Unity doesn't mean everyone is going to be similar, or are
going to be the same. That's not the unity we're talking about.
We're talking about the unity of all religions, the unity of the
system that we are in and bringing to the higher level of
understanding of how we are united. We are united because we have
all come from the same Source, from the Spirit, from God.
How do we do our part, our dance (the way you
explain it doesn't matter)? It is by what ability do I have? As I
said, Sangha and Dharma, community and innate nature. Not everyone
is going to sweep the floors. But if there is no one else to do it,
I might take the broom myself and sweep the floor because it has to
Then we go to the concept of Paravipra. If you study
the teachings, it will become more clear to you. A Paravipra is a
person who is a Shudra (who can work like a worker), who is a
warrior kind of person, (Ksattriyan), who is not afraid, who is
courageous. He is also an intellectual (Vipra). He can
intellectually understand the universe. He also can be a businessman
(Vaeshyan). He can be shrewd like a businessman, and can deal with
money and things like that of the world. At the same time, he is
Divine. He is incorruptible.
If all these qualities are in one person, then he is
a Paravipra. He is a leader. That doesn't mean that he sits up there
and he never touches the broom. No. If no one is there to clean the
floor, he might do it himself, or herself.
So we can see, if we can create all these five
qualities, then we go beyond any limitations. We can become the
leaders who can guide others, at the same time be with them, and
progress spiritually and help them to a higher consciousness. Of
course, not everyone is going to be a Paravipra.
Not everyone is even going to be in the
Communities of Light. There are some people who are just not
made for community. They are not community people and they are going
to be out of community.
So unity does not mean similarity. Unity does not
mean that everyone is going to be at the same place. But according
to our teaching, because of the
Communities of Light and the progress of the people who have
been meditating for the last 12,000 years, we're going to have more
teachers, and also we're creating more teachers to teach humanity
how it's going to be. Eventually we will create an environment where
we don't have so much crime, destruction, wars, and all those
In this environment then more people can meditate,
more people can progress, and more people can go to higher
Guest: One of the things that I'm intrigued by
is intolerance, and particularly some of the Christian intolerance.
I am trying within an individual's own mind space, in particular
mine, because of this experience of which I am talking about, to
find tolerance for the intolerance. How do you propose that we're
going to deal with this type of phenomena within? This is a very
human thing, that, "Whatever I'm doing is the correct way," and that
leaves no room for anyone else.
Maitreya: That is why The Greatest Sign
says, "You are correct, but you are a part of a greater correct [all
Guest: Right, but I'm talking about how is this
going to come about for those who are correct and don't feel a part
of the greater correct?
Maitreya: That also shows that the individual
path is going to be much harder than the collective path of the Communities of Light. As these communities are going to
increase, as our numbers are going to increase and more and more
people are going to join us, it will be harder and harder for the
people out there to be intolerant toward us.
The number is the hand of God. Hopefully we won't
become intolerant toward other people. See, that is our hope.
We don't want to be trampled over by other people.
By creating more and more Communities of Light and tolerance
among ourselves and among our neighbors, we're hoping that our
teaching doesn't eventually become intolerant, like the Christians,
the Moslems, the Jews, and the Hindus have. Probably the Buddhists
are less intolerant to others because their teaching is more vast.
But Christians, Moslems, and Jews are not very tolerant people.
Because the Jews say, "We are the chosen people," so no one else is
good. "I am the only good one." Christians say, "We have the only
way and anyone who has any other way is no good." The third one, the
Moslems say, "We have the last word." So there is no tolerance for
That's why I said, you as an individual person out
there trying to progress, it is not going to work. That's another
sign that God has given to us that as individuals, it is not going
to work, because they are going to be intolerant toward you. You are
going to be trampled over and they will do whatever they can to you
to change you to their way of thinking. If they can't get you by
Grace, if they can't get you by their teaching, they will get you by
threat. At least they try. But if you are a community, a collective
person, if you are together and you are nice and beautiful and
everyone sees the beauty in your community, people will want to be
in that community.
Here in this neighborhood, the neighbors are
affected by our presence. Also we are tolerant toward them and nice
so they have no choice but to be nice toward us.
That is how it's going to affect the whole universe
eventually, by creating this kind of environment where there is
tolerance, there is love, there is understanding, and there is
progress in each individual. When each individual progresses, what
happens? The whole community progresses. Of course, we are tolerant.
If you are tolerant toward one person and he
understands you are a good person, maybe he or she will become
tolerant toward you. But how many out there are not tolerant?
There is, of course, the critical point in the
universe, in every event in the universe. When you reach that
critical number, we will affect the whole thing suddenly.
Have you ever seen plastic under water? If you put a
bubble under it, one bubble, two bubbles, ten bubbles are not going
to bring the plastic to the surface. But there is a point that if
you put one more bubble, the thing is going to come up.
So that is how it's going to happen. Eventually,
when we reach that critical number who see this revelation,
understand the unity of humanity, realize the teaching, love it and
join us, the number will increase. At one point in the future we
will reach that critical number. When we have that number, the whole
earth is going to be exploded.
Guest: I'm at the end of my questions.
Maitreya: And I'm at the end of mine [all