Yes, I have a question about God and our relationship with Him.
Sure. That’s a good question. It is always a good
question, anything about God.
So, what is our relationship with God? Does anyone know what
is our relationship with God, here in the Mission? What
do you think our relationship with God is?
What did Christ say, “Seek God and the rest will be added to you.”
God is something that is not up there sitting on a throne with a
long beard and deep eyes. He is a Spirit and He is within us.
He is always with us. He never leaves us.
That is why I am here, to connect you to the Spirit within you with
the understanding of God’s Laws and Revelations.
We believe what the New Agers say that, “God is within you.”
But they say that because God is within you, you don’t need anyone
else to follow or listen to and you are God yourselves. Yes,
it is true, God is within us. We all have the potential of
becoming God, or a son of God, or a daughter of God but we are not
That is exactly what the problem was in the beginning. Adam
and Eve said, “We are God ourselves.” But they weren’t
completely pure yet. They ate of the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil which is becoming self-centered, falling from The
Grace. Instead of saying, “What is God’s Will,” saying “What
is my will.”
God’s Will is good for us not because He is a tyrant, or He wants us
to follow Him because He needs us to follow Him. He doesn’t
need us to follow Him. It is because He created us and He
knows what is better for us, what is good for us and what is not
good for us.
It is just as I always say, like an engineer who builds an engine.
Who knows better about that engine than that engineer? And who
knows what is good for that engine better than who made that engine:
what kind of oil is good for it, what kind of taking care of it is
necessary that makes that engine in a good shape?
So God is something we are one with and we always are with Him and
He is with us. We indeed have the potential to become like
Him. That is why even Christ said, “Become perfect as the
Father in heaven.” That is what Christ’s teaching was, the
Kingdom of heaven is within you, the Kingdom of heaven is without
you, and the Kingdom of heaven is in heaven.
The only way we can become like God is to perfect ourselves and
follow His Rules, Regulations, Laws, and also Grace. Of
course, you are not saved by Law alone. If you are just
following the Laws and doing the Reminder… [Sarah-ji asking
Maitreya to look into the camera] I’m instructed to look
into the camera [laughing]. So it is something that we have to
become. That is why in our teaching, The Goal Of The Life Is
To Be(come) Divine.
Some people say, the moment you say, “I am God,” or, “I am Divine,”
you become Divine. Yes, if you really recognize that Divinity
within you, then they are right: you are that essence which is
Formless, Invisible, Nameless, and Eternal (FINE). That’s why
we call God, FINE.
He doesn’t have any shape. He doesn’t have any touch.
Although He is all the touch and smell in the universe, but in the
Essence He doesn’t have any form, or shape, or name, or anything
that you can sense with your five human senses.
That Essence is the God that we are aiming for. That’s why
anything in the universe you see has shape, has form, has smell, has
sound, has anything, is not the Essence. That Essence which is
beyond all of them and is absolutely absorbed to Itself is what
Buddha, for example, says is Nirvana.
That is what the Buddhists are seeking to reach, Nirvana.
Nirvana really doesn’t have any shape, or sound, or smell, or
anything. That ultimate state of God is what we have to aim
So anything else is a trap. If you believe in angels and
you’re desiring an angel to come and help you and become your
guardian angel, if you’re following a guru or an Avatar or anyone
who makes a little dust in his hand or blesses and you think, “Oh, I
have to follow this person or that person,” or if he comes and says
the most beautiful thing and tells you, you can do whatever you
want, it’s OK, these are all traps.
Or even if you are astral projecting and going and seeing wonderful
masters, images, and having the highest experience with any person,
any being, anything that has shape, form, still that is a trap.
The ultimate achievement is Formless, Invisible, Nameless, and
Even if you become attached to me, my body and my physical form…
That’s why I was resisting to put my picture in Internet. Of
course, people in Internet kept telling me, “No. You’re afraid
to put your picture in,” or “you are trying to hide something.”
You have leprosy or,… that you’re afraid to do that.
That wasn’t the reason. The reason is, it doesn’t matter.
It is not important. The important thing is to realize the
Essence, to recognize the Essence within you.
It doesn’t mean you have to completely disregard me and be nasty to
me. No, that’s not good either. But in a sense know that
I am just a representative of God and actually I confirm the
existence of God. Why and how? It is because He said
such a person with such a revelation will come. Now it’s here.
What do you think, do you think God exists? You see? God
exists because He said He is going to do this and He did it.
I’m going to be gone. Maybe in one hundred years this body
won’t be here but would this teaching be here? Yes, this
teaching will be here. And no one else is going to come after
me and say, “Maitreya sent me and gave me this vision.
I am his representative,” or even my disciples. They just have
to teach what we teach here and bring humanity to this realization:
There is only one God, one humanity, and all these revelations have
come from him.
So with knowing this kind of a God, you absolutely go beyond any
forms, names, sights, any form of manifestation, to something that
absolutely has no form, no manifestation, no physical body or
anything. You go beyond all the traps that you can see
millions of people have fallen into.
They are attached to their guru. They’re attached to their
Masters. They are attached to Ethereal Beings. They are
attached to the name of a person. They are attached to even
Messiah, or anything.
Of course, that’s true, Christ said that no one goes to the Father
except through me. But what does that mean? You mean you
go through his physical body? No. You go through his
words. You go through what he taught us. If we
understand what he taught us and we follow them, we go to the
This is the same thing for Prophet Muhammed. It’s the same
thing for Moses. It’s the same thing for Abraham. They
said the same thing. They said, “Be surrendered to God.
Bring God to your life in the highest level. Make Him the
first Being in your life and follow His Laws. Become perfect.”
Why would Moses stone people who take the name of the Lord in vain?
It was because he wanted them to be perfect. He didn’t want
that they take the name of God in vain. They wanted them to
become perfect. They wanted them to realize God and bring God
into their lives.
If we follow those words, Moses’s words, would we reach God? Yes.
So Moses was the way, the truth, and no one would go to the Father
but through him.
Was Christ the same? Yes. He said the same thing.
If your eye defiles you, what did he say? He said to take it,
pluck it out and throw it away. If you hand defiles you, cut
Why? Did he really mean to physically cut it off, or he meant
to clean up your eyes, to clean up your hands, to clean up your
consciousness. If you do that, then where do you go? You
go to God because that’s how God is, God is Perfect! God is
Pure! And that’s how we become…
You can’t just become pure by believing such and such a person is a
good person, or is from God. You haven’t done anything. Maybe
he makes you to be a little more aware of your imperfection and you
become more willing to become perfect. But really it is you
who has to decide, “Yes. I am going to dedicate my life to
God. Now how am I going to become one with God? How am I
going to get myself to God? I have to go to the words of God.”
That’s why He sends His Word through His Prophets. That is why
the Prophets come here.
God is a Spirit. God cannot just come and talk to every
person. Even if He wants it, not every person is pure enough
to hear Him. You might hear Him a little bit and then your ego
comes in and you distort what God said.
That is why he has chosen Prophets, and when He has chosen a Prophet
that Prophet cannot lie. That is why, they cannot just simply
lie. That is why God chooses them, and He cleans them.
If you study the life of all the Prophets, you will see that all of
them go through a period of intense purification. Although
he’s already in a very high consciousness and God chooses him many,
many times and knows him, but even in each lifetime they become
very… God takes them away from the society to a very secluded place,
or secluded life that they have to have an intense meditation period
and eventually they recognize their beings as being chosen to do
something on earth.
Most of them, or all of them, have a vision of God, something that
affects their lives absolutely, completely, and makes them a
completely different person than regular people. So when they
come and bring the word of God, these are the words of God.
This is God who is talking. This is God who is giving you
these words. Then you say, “OK, that is not good enough.”
He has given you the
Old Testament. He has given you the New Testament.
He has given you the Upanishads. He has given you the
Bhagavad-Gita. He has given you the Koran. He
has given you the Bayan, from Bab. And all those
Scriptures all together are given to humanity to find what God wants
from us. Of course,
THOTH brings that all together and makes them make
sense more than ever before.
When you read those Scriptures, see where they fall in
THOTH, you will realize what God’s Plan is, what God’s
Will is. When you come to understand those in a deeper level
then you become closer and closer to God.
That is our relationship with God, to know what He wants: To
meditate, to awaken our spiritual forces. That’s not enough
though. Some people say, “Just meditate and you’re going to be
OK.” But we know that that’s not enough.
We have also to read the words of God. We have to go through the
Eternal Divine Path. We have to awaken our spiritual
forces, direct our lives toward the creation of the Communities
of Light, sacrifice (not being self-centered), surrender and
submit to God’s Will (not my will, God’s Will).
These are all difficult requirements. And humans are not very
good in following these things. Most of them don’t want to
even meditate, to close their eyes.
You cannot even start meditating until you have the prerequisites of
the spiritual life: good environment, good food, good sun,
good air. So we can see the human is way away from the
requirements of the basic necessities for a good spiritual life.
What kind of air do we have? It is polluted. What kind
of food do we eat? It is mostly acidic kinds of food:
meat, coffee, coke, alcohol. All those things absolutely
destroy the body.
What should we be eating? We should be eating vegetables,
fruit, nuts, good water, and good air. That makes our physical
body strong and the spirit willing to sit and even meditate.
With the kind of diet that most people have, they are going to have
a hard time to even decide to sit and meditate. They cannot do
it because it’s going to be difficult for them to even consider it.
That is why we have so much disease. Our hospitals are full of
people with incredible diseases that they have because their diets
are not good and their lifestyles are not correct.
We can see a lot of things are wrong with the earth right now that
have to be corrected. Who is going to do it? We are
going to do it. We have the knowledge. We are the
people. God has given us all this knowledge to…
First of all we have to work on ourselves. Each individual is
responsible for their own physical, mental, and spiritual progress.
So we have to start with our diets: eat more alkaline foods,
like vegetables, fruit, and all that.
We are not absolutely against meat. We’re not saying that
absolutely you have to become vegetarian. But a good Divine is
a person who eats less meat than regular people eat. Meat is
OK, but don’t eat too much of it. It destroys the body.
So our relationship with God is based upon all these things.
It is not only one thing that, “I’ll do one thing and I have a
relationship with God.” It’s an inclusive life-style.
You put your life, absolutely according to His Revelation and His
Will and you bring an environment for yourself and others that
accelerates your connection and their connection to God.
It’s OK to make a mistake. It’s OK not to be perfect.
God knows us. God knows we’re not perfect. It’s OK.
But the most important thing is the effort we put in it and the
Grace we seek from God.
Actually in the school that Isaac goes to, they give you the grade
for the effort you put in it, not what you made or how wonderful a
thing you made. If you put an effort, you are accepted as
someone who tried hard. You tried hard. You tried it.
But with all of this teaching and all this revelation, we can,
anyone who is really willing to go to God, all the tools have been
given to us to physically, mentally, and spiritually makes us
strong. If we are not perfect, it’s OK. It’s not
something that God is going to take us on it. He might yell at
us. He might tell us, “That wasn’t the correct thing you did,”
but He Loves us.
You concentrate on His Love for you, not if He’s sometimes not very
nice all the time. That doesn’t mean He doesn’t Love you.
Like little children sometimes need to be corrected or something,
but that’s OK. Even if you’re trying to go to Him and have a
relationship with Him, you eventually will.
But we have to put effort. We have to have the willingness.
We have to follow the diets and the recommendation in THOTH,
and we have to follow the Eternal Divine Path. The more
we can create the
Communities of Light, the easier it will become. The
more we can be and relate to the people who are like us, the more it
becomes easier and easier.
Eventually one day you live in an environment that the food is
naturally good because you grow it. The air is naturally good
because you use alternative ways of transportation and other things
that, we call it science based on Spirit. So we can see that
although we are not there, we are working toward that environment
We have to find God within ourselves. We have become His
instruments, become His channels. We don’t want to become
channels of the hierarchy, or the channels of the angels, or the
channels of the people in the ethereal level. No. We
want to become the channels of the Essence which is within each of
We don’t need the hierarchy. We don’t need those angels or
beings in the ethereal level. We are connected to God
directly. That is our birthright.
That is a lie that you need someone else to take you to God.
That makes you connect to the medium and something else and diverts
you from connecting yourself directly to God.
So that is the thing that we have all to realize, that God is within
us and we can go there. But the Prophets have come and told us
the way to do it.
Did I answer your question?
Yes. Yes. How arrange for God. It seems I don’t
understand which kind of relation you have with God.
I’m sorry, Ishvara, our connection went way down. I don’t
know. Is that our connection goes down when the other people
are talking, or… Are you holding it down?
We could not understand the question, Ishvara. Can you say it
slower and more deliberately. Very slowly and let us hear what
you said again?
you have and because you say do you understand?
Did you understand what he said? [the sound broke up]
OK, Rahdah, do you have a good connection? Maybe you have a
good connection with us and a good connection with Ishvara. If
you understood the question, maybe you can repeat and see if we can
understand it then.
Ishvara & Rahdah:
We disconnected and connected again, go ahead if you want to ask the
OK, I will try to translate the question. Ishvara wants to
Maitreya, you’re private relationship with God is different
from either mine or so, and you seem to receive stronger, or, yes,
you receive more precisely what God wants from you and we don’t
received those so from God. So can you talk a little bit about
your relationship, your private relationship, with God that is
different from ours?
OK, as I understand it. Ishvara wants to know the relationship
between me and God and what is the difference between this
relationship and the relationship of you and God. Right?
Yes, that’s it. Right!
OK. Well, apparently I have been doing a good job [laughing]
or something that God chooses me. It is just like, if you have
a good person, if you have a person who is effective and he does a
good job, what do you do? If you have something important to
be done, you go to that person and say, “Look I know you are very
good in getting things done. Why don’t you do this.” And
because that person is dedicated he says, “OK, and yes I will do
it.” And he goes ahead and does it. It’s one way to look
at it, that God chooses the same being over and over to come to
earth and bring the Message of God to humanity.
Another way to look at it, as you remember, in the beginning there
was chaos. The Spirit of God came to the chaos and God said,
“Let there be light.” He sent His Spirit to the darkness,
which was the chaos in the universe. That Light went through
the chaos, recognized the Eternal Divine Path and reached
Pure Consciousness, back to God.
Because he was from God, because he was the Spirit of God he came to
the world and went through that experience. And because it was
the Spirit of God, he could learn very fast, progress fast, and go
back to the Father, to God. That Spirit was sent back again
and again to the earth to guide humanity to go back to God or Pure
That Spirit is what really Christ is. That Spirit is really
what the Messiah is. That Spirit is what the Christians say,
“God came to earth to suffer so the human is saved.” But it
was not just Christ who came to earth. He came to earth even
before creation was created.
They are correct in a sense when they say, “God came as man and
suffered so we can be saved.” That is right, absolutely.
He came as the Spirit of God, as the Light, and went through the
Eternal Divine Path, through the darkness and he reached back
God. And there was Light. God was very pleased with the
Light because He recognized now how to help the darkness to progress
and become one with God in Pure Consciousness.
So in that sense, that Spirit is what God sent back to earth.
That Spirit comes to earth again, and again, and again and guides
humanity toward Pure Consciousness and purity.
In that sense that Spirit is behind also me. So you can say
that you are connected to the Light that came to the creation in the
beginning. He went through the darkness, reached God and
became Light, “And there was Light.” John said, “In the
beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was
That Spirit of God that was sent to the world is the Essence of
creation. The whole creation is created with the Holy Name
which has two parts: the name of the Father, and the name of
the son. And they connect… They are one with each other.
They are not separated. The Father and the son are one.
In a sense you can say that the Spirit is God on earth which comes
to us and brings this Revelation again and again. Why does he
come to earth? He comes to earth to save man. He doesn’t
need to come to earth. He comes here and he suffers on earth
because God Loves humanity, God wants to bring all this chaos back
to the Godhead, or to Pure Consciousness.
So he comes here to guide us again and again and dispels our
delusions that you can see 99% of humanity are in those delusions.
Each person, each being is connected to some kind of belief or
attachment. As I said, even being attached to anything that
has form, or smell, or name is a delusion.
You are delusional. You are still not with the Formless,
Nameless, Invisible, Eternal. So I am here to dispel that
delusion and tell you, “Don’t be delusional."
The people who really want to get away from the delusion, understand
my teaching and what I say makes sense to them. They say,
“Yes. If God is Spirit, anything that has form is not the
Essence, it is not God.”
By understanding our teaching you will dispel the delusion and you
will free yourself from all kinds of attachments that come to your
way. If you are willing and you are chosen, these words are
like bread and wine and Spirit, and the blessing of God. If
you are not, they are like a spike or not very nice because you want
to stay with your delusions. You say, “No. What
Maitreya says doesn’t make sense.” Or, “I don’t want to
give up my traditions, my delusions, or my attachments.”
So you see, that Spirit comes to earth for those who are ready and
willing to follow the last step of their delusions and dispel them
and say, “Well, we don’t want to stay in delusion anymore. We
want to go to God directly.” That makes them to go to the next
step and become free of all the bondage of the physical life.
That Spirit has to bring a different Revelation to humanity
according to the level of consciousness they were in the past.
So he probably would not completely come and say, “Do not be even
attached to me,” which also Christ said, “Go to God.” He
didn’t say stay with me. Or Prophet Muhammed, or Moses, all of
them are trying to connect humanity to God, not to themselves.
But humanity falls back into delusion and becomes connected and
attached to the Prophet, and all that. My relationship with
God, when I am connected and I give Satsang, it is God talking.
When I’m not giving Satsang, I’m down there living a regular life,
I’m a regular human. I live like a regular human: I eat,
I sleep, I walk, I talk, and all that. But when these words
come through me and God’s Spirit is on me, then you are listening to
God, you are hearing him talking to you.
So take His Word and this Word as the Truth. If they are not
the Truth then I don’t want to talk about them either. I would
just rather not talk at all.
That is the difference between me and the rest of humanity, God
somehow chose this vessel to be his mouthpiece and tell you how to
dispel the delusion, create the Communities of Light, purify
yourselves, follow the Eternal Divine Path, know that there
is one God and all this Revelation has come from Him. With all
these things purify yourselves and dispel the illusion of whatever
you might have been in before.
If you can, bring your family, bring your friends, bring your
neighbors, bring your nations, bring your whole earth to these
Revelations and Teachings and let’s create an earth in which
everyone can grow physically, mentally, and spiritually from where
they are, so that we have better humans, better earth, better
people, better religion, and understand God in a much deeper level.
That is what God’s desire is and that is why I am here. I am
not here to bind you to myself. I'm not here to make a lot of
money out of you. I am not here to become rich or anything
like that -- I am already rich in Spirit. It is none of them.
My only wish is to see all of you dispel the delusions that you
might be in and come together. Become brothers and sisters,
friends, wives and husbands, sannyasins, teachers, students, and
together create Communities of Light, communities that
everyone has somewhat individuality and freedom under some Laws and
Revelation from God which create a good community, not being
self-centered, not being always thinking, “What about me? What
about me?” being surrendered and submissive to the Will of God
instead of, “No. My Will. I don’t want to do what
you tell me to do.”
You don’t have to do what I tell you. You really don’t.
But if I say something and it makes sense and it makes you a better
person, if it’s according to the Word of God then you have to listen
You’re not doing me a favor if you listen to God’s word. You
are doing yourself a favor. So don’t think if I am saying
something that you feel you have to do and you think, “Oh, I am
doing it so Maitreya is indebted to me.” I’m not.
It’s between you and God. You have to realize that when you do
something that is according to God’s Word, it’s going to affect your
life. You become a better person. You’re going to have a
better life. You are going to become more pure.
Those are the things that God wants us to see, to manifest, to
Communities of Light based on pure couples. That is
really, really the essence of our teaching: the creation of
the Communities of Light
based on the pure couples and based on the teachers who dedicate
their lives to God and in teaching and helping the community.
Two very important ingredients: sannyasins and the married
couples. They go so well, hand in hand. Married couples
create children, create home and a beautiful environment.
Sannyasins have a place to live, have a place to progress, have to
reach… Of course, they are supposed to reach out to humanity,
and help the couples at the same time. They go hand in hand
very well. And that is wonderful!
In a sense that is what my life is all about, to teach these things
to humanity, and to you, and that you take it as the Word of God and
go for it. There is no argument. There is no, nothing
that should come between us. It needs your understanding and
my effort. I’m willing to put my effort as much as it takes to get
these Words out and see people hearing, understanding, and accepting
these. Eventually find 144,000 Paravipras that their lives are
absolutely dedicated to manifest these things on earth and humanity.
So my lesson with God when I am out of this Satsang and down there
in life, I’m just like you. I’m human. But when I’m here
and when I give Satsang, when I teach God, it is His Spirit coming
through. And He’s Wonderful!
I hope all of you experience this wonderful experience of giving
truth through you. But let’s be very careful not to be
presenting another spirit but God. Because as we have seen it
during the history, other spirits take over people and they claim
that they are presenting God, which they are not.
If you are connecting people not to the Formless, Nameless,
Invisible, and Eternal but to yourself, to another person, or to me,
then you are a false prophet, you are a false teacher.
That is the sign of a false teacher: he who does not connect
you directly to the Spirit, to the Formless, Invisible, Nameless,
and Eternal. If anyone, as I have said many times, if anyone
teaches that… Anyone who teaches you angels, anyone who
teaches you Masters in the ethereal level, anyone who teaches you
Masters in the Himalayas, anyone who teaches you any Messiah is more
important that God, or anything, then you are listening to a false
Yes, Messiah is the way. I am the way, the truth and no one
goes to the Father but through me. But through what?
Through understanding my words, understanding these words. Not
saying, “Oh, just believe in the name of
Maitreya, you are going to be saved.” No, you are not
going to be saved because you’re not listening to me. You are
just believing in my name.
Yes, it is true, if you are believing in my Spiritual Name, which we
give you in initiation… Because if you don’t really believe
that name and you are not really doing the Will of God, you are not
going to even hear it.
Even if you hear it in initiation, you are not going to hear it
later on because in initiation I make you hear it. But after
that, it’s up to you to hear it, and that hearing comes to you only
when you are pure, when you are doing the Will of the Father, when
you are not self-centered, when you are not selfish, when you are
surrendered and submissive to God. When you understand the
Eternal Divine Path and follow it, then yes, you can hear the
Holy Name within you.
So it all boils down to how dedicated you are, how wonderfully you
understand the teaching and how much you are willing to realize
these Words in your Spirit, and your heart. Not something that
comes out of your mouth that you say, “I’m dedicated,” but your
action doesn’t show it. Action is much louder than 1,000
So that is what this
Mission is all about. This Mission is about the
truth. This Mission is about explanation of what
happened in creation and history, bringing all the teaching together
and fulfilling the prophecies, the coming together of all religions,
and recognizing that there is only one God, and all these
Revelations have come from Him. Now He has sent His seventh
Revelation which is the end of the Revelation. Now it’s
complete. It is perfect.
If you understand it, then we are one. If you understand these
things then we have two Maitreyas, three Maitreyas, four Maitreyas,
144 Maitreyas. Then we can all work together.
That is why, I am your brother. I am your brother. I am
your friend. And I don’t want you to put me on top of the
pedestal and be afraid even to talk to me or object or discuss
things with me. No. When I am down there, object, that’s
fine. If you don’t like something about what I do, that’s OK.
Just tell me, Maitreya, I don’t like this thing. We can
discuss it. Maybe you are right. Maybe you are wrong.
Who knows? But we have to work together. If you want to
be in this Mission we have to work together. We have to
be able to communicate. We have to understand what the ability
of each of us is and utilize it toward the manifestation of this
So in that sense, we are co-workers. We are working together.
We are friends. We are just trying to figure out how we can do
If no one comes and helps and gets to this level, that fine.
I’ll come back next lifetime [laughing]. I’m not going to give
up that easily. So we go next lifetime and try it all over
But the sooner we do this together and manifest this truth, the
sooner we all can go back home and be in Nirvana or in Pure
Consciousness, absolute Oneness with God. And that is what
Heaven is not a place with a lot of water and beautiful things in
it. It is a state of consciousness. Some people say
"heaven," they have been in heaven. They have seen their
relatives, friends, and things like that. How can that be
heaven? That still has form, shape. It is still not the
Essence. As I said, anything that has shape, form, sound,
smell, all those things, realize that is also a trap, that is an
illusion. Go beyond all of them.
Again, as I said, my relationship with God is, when His Spirit is on
me, He and I are One. When I am down there, I am a regular
human. Does that make sense?
That makes big sense to me.
That makes big sense [laughing]. Yes, Ishvara, that is one
thing about our Mission, it just makes sense, doesn’t it?
It is so freeing when you realize these things are so simple and
humans are looking so hard to realize these things and recognize
these things. Hopefully this teaching will dispel all delusion
of creating all this…
Even Buddhists create that - - what’s that heaven they say
lives in? Anyway they say that Maitreya lives in that
place in that heaven, and all that. That is in delusion.
How can a Buddhist who believes in Nirvana believe in an ethereal
place? Why do you want to get attached to an ethereal place?
You’re supposed to be attached to Nirvana, which they call
“nothingness.” Is ether nothingness? That is not
nothingness. It has form. It has shape. It has…
Who are these ethereal beings who trap these people? Why, why
do they do that? It is because they want to become God
That’s one of the things human’s falling is, they want to become
God. Yes, you have the potential of becoming God but you are
not God yet. And when you are God, you are not here anymore.
OK? You are in Nirvana. You are in Pure Consciousness.
So why waste your time?
You can see the whole world is trapped in, “I am God.” “No,
you are God.” “I am better than you.” “My guru is better
than your guru.” “My ethereal level is better than your
ethereal level.” “My being in ethereal level is better than
your being in ethereal level.” “I travel better in astral
projection than you do.” Such confusion! You can just go
in those newsgroups. No wonder.
But you will not be confused if you know our teaching. Who
cares? “I don’t care about your guru or ethereal being or
anything. I am going to Pure Consciousness. I am going
to the Essence of God.” These are all traps.
You can see all those people on Internet, in the New Agers, 99.99%
are trapped. They are trapped in those beings.
So we have to dispel this delusion, free ourselves, and free others
who also listen to this truth dispel the delusions. And if
they listen… If they don’t listen just give the Message, give
the Truth and then leave them to God. Say, “We leave you to
God and we go our way,” and find those who might listen.
Any other questions? Do you have a question, Keyosha?
Why don’t you go ahead then?
My question has to do with Christ. At the end of his teaching
he was in the garden of Gethsemane and he said, “Please if you can…”
He was saying to God, “Can you have this cup pass from me.”
Then he immediately stopped and said, “But not my will but Thy Will
There is a big discussion on the Internet about this. So what
my question is, I am wondering, Christ was in Pure Consciousness,
did he himself actually have to learn a lesson and that’s why he
said that, or did that whole thing just happen only to pave the way
for the coming of Prophet Muhammed and the next teaching.
Cause he was in Pure Consciousness. But even if you are in
Pure Consciousness, does that mean… This is the second part,
does that mean that you don’t have anything more to learn? Or,
becoming more… I guess you can’t become more obedient to God,
so that part is no good.
Well, if we just go back to what we just talked about, probably that
answers the question very well by itself. Because like we
said, the Spirit of God came to earth in the beginning and went
through the darkness, learned the Eternal Divine Path, and
reached back to God.
While he was going through those stages, what did he become?
He had to learn his lessons in that state. He had to meditate.
He was the Spirit of God, alright? He was God on earth and on
the darkness but he had to go through the experience of awakening
his spiritual forces: meditating and becoming more aware of
self and the environment.
Eventually he realized that he had to create the
Communities of Light, or at least help those close around him
to come to this realization that they have to awaken their spiritual
forces. Then he had to realize that he shouldn’t be self
centered, selfish, and think about himself all the time but about
the community, sacrifice, and all that. Eventually he became
submissive and surrendered and became a universalist:
Eternal Divine Path, as we have explain in THOTH
how the First Begotten Son went through that experience as darkness,
So when the Messiah, or the Prophet, also comes, as I said, when he
is connected to God and he gives the Word of God. It is just
like in the case of Prophet Mohammed, he used to go into kind of a
trance, almost like Edgar Cayce. He would go into a trance
kind of a state and then he would give the Revelations. In
that state, who was talking through him? Was it Prophet
Mohammed? No. It was God and the Spirit of God talking
When that person came as Rabbi, told him you’re a good Rabbi or
something and Christ said, “I’m not good. The only good is
God,” in that time he was a regular human who was talking like a
In Essence, as I said, when God is upon me, it is God talking
through me. I don’t have to go to trance. Somehow this
lifetime it is not necessary for me to go to trance to give good
Satsangs or Revelations. Actually our Revelations are very
different than other revelation because it’s more explanation
actually than any revelation. Of course, It brought the
Eternal Divine Path, while we’re explaining very
intellectually to humanity what happened, what God brought.
So you can see there are two parts of the Prophet, or the Messiah:
the part that when God is upon him he and God are One, and there are
other times that he is a regular human, he has emotions, he has
feelings, he has his own understanding. Sometimes they become
even emotional, just like Christ. At that time he was in that
state that his human part comes out and says, “Take this cup from
Physically, who likes to be on the cross and someone put nails in
your hands and feet? No matter how Pure Consciousness or
higher consciousness you are, still it’s going to hurt. And
you don’t want to, anyone wants to… In a human sense, he
didn’t want that to be done.
Also, in that stage, God is showing how the next stage is going to
come. The next Prophet is going to bring to humanity… It
is just like Christ in that state really wasn’t absolutely
submissive to the Will of God, it seems. He said, “Take this
from me.” It means God said no you have to be crucified, and
it was prophesied that he would be crucified. Now in that
state he says, “No, I don’t want to do it.” It seems he said,
“No, I don’t want to do Your Will. Can you take this…”
What happens, because he is in higher consciousness, in a very high
level of consciousness and connected, immediately he realizes, “Not
my will, but Thy Will be done.” If it was a regular human,
what would he say? He would say, “No, God, I don’t want to do
this. I’m not going to do this. I’m just going to run
away.” Just like a nobody, I mean Jonah did.
Jonah ran away. He said, “I’m not going to do it.” He
was a minor Prophet. It was just one message that he had to
take to that city. He said, “No, I’m not going to do it.”
But Christ is in a state, they’re going to crucify him. And he
knew. He already told his disciples that’s what is going to
happen. But his human part said, “No, I don’t want to do it.”
Immediately he realized, “No, I have to be surrendered and
submissive to the Will of God.”
Then after that lifetime, what revelation does he bring? He
brings the revelation of surrendering and submission. It’s
just like in the last moment of his previous lifetime it has to be
revealed to him that surrendering and submission is very important
in spiritual life.
In that life he was teaching sacrifice, he went to the cross for it.
He was showing how not to be self-centered and selfish. He
died for… That’s why Christians say, “He died for our sins.”
He went through that experience of suffering.
But he didn’t go through that experience of suffering only in the
life of the Christ. When did he go through that experience?
He went before even the creation was created. He went through
that experience of suffering and going to the darkness and realizing
the Eternal Divine Path.
So that Spirit behind him had learned the lesson already of being
surrendered and submissive. But in that lifetime he had to
demonstrate it again, maybe even for our own good, for our own later
understanding when I explain that he became surrendered and
submissive and the next lifetime he brought the surrendering and
submission part of the Eternal Divine Path, then he what?
It strengthened our Revelation didn’t it? It shows that God
was teaching that that is what the next revelation is going to be,
surrendering and submission, through Prophet Muhammed which is the
same Spirit as Christ and all that, that came to humanity.
So we can say that there are two parts in the Prophet. When he
is connected, he is One with God, he is the Spirit of God and God
comes through him. And there is a human part that’s human.
It’s just like you and me have emotion. He has understanding,
he has needs, wants. But, of course, maybe he is not as human
as most humans are. His desire to serve God is probably
greater than a lot of other people. His life is more dedicated
to God than regular people. Probably he is purer than many,
many other people and humanity. But it’s not that he is
absolutely always connected to God.
That is one misconception that a lot of people have that the Prophet
or Messiah is connected to God all the time. And that is not
true. We can see that Christ demonstrated this many times in
the Bible, that he became emotional. For example,
when he said, "Take this cup away from me." Many times he
personally really didn’t want to do this, to go through all that
suffering. Just as Esa said, his Soul was troubled. He
asked his disciples to stay with him and pray with him because his
Soul was heavy. It was just like a regular human, that his Soul was
troubled. He was emotionally an exhausted person.
So we can see that he has very well demonstrated that the Messiah is
a human. But he represents the Spirit of God on earth because
God is a Spirit and He needs to be represented with the physical
body. Otherwise not many people can hear It.
But when the Messiah comes, he says the truth. When he gives
the Revelation, when he threw the moneychangers out of the Temple,
the Spirit of God is doing it.
Probably those moneychangers had been in that Temple for hundreds of
thousands of years. No one threw them out of the Temple.
Suddenly he comes and he throws them out of the Temple. Maybe
a lot of people complained that, “Why are these moneychangers in the
Temple?” but no one dared to do that.
When the Spirit comes through, or over him, that makes him bold and
go and throw them out, yell at them and tell them that they are the
generation of vipers, and stand in front of the priests and call
them, “You’re no good.” The priests were the most powerful
being in that society.
It is just like going to one of those dictators in one of those
third world countries and telling them, “You’re stupid. Your
work is no good. You are a dictator.” What would they do
to you? They would put you under arrest and probably kill you.
But he didn’t care because the Spirit of God was with him and that
was who was doing it. Another time he was desperate and
lamented about his spirit is troubled and all that. So you can
see two sides of the same being: when one is bold, incredibly
powerful and says beautiful things that go right to your heart, in
another time he is troubled.
If we believe that being in Pure Consciousness means never being in
trouble, then why Christ was in trouble? Why his spirit was
So again, this teaching makes sense that yes, when the Spirit of God
is on the Prophet or the Messiah, yes, he is One with Him. But
when He is not, he is a human. He might be a little more Godly
than regular humans but still he is human, he has all the human
emotions and feelings and all that.
So that is why we have to be compassionate even toward the Prophets,
toward the Messiah, and toward the teachers and pray for them too
that they have strength, they have the ability to discern,
recognize, and realize the Truth and bring it to us in a greater
degree. We shouldn’t completely become attached to them.
That’s good actually because again you shouldn’t be attached to the
Prophet but God. You realize that you are dealing with another
human that happens to have the Spirit of God as a channel to bring
you these words. And these words are the relationship between
you and God.
That is how you go to God through me, through my words and
recognizing them and going to God. Not being attached with my
physical body and saying, “Oh,
Maitreya always is in Pure Consciousness.” So he is
always in bliss and, “I don’t have to do anything, he is going to do
everything for me.”
No! I am the way shower. You are the ones who are going
to walk It. So don’t put that trip on me [laughing].
Also by recognizing this, you love Christ as he was and you
empathize with his last moment of going to the cross and feeling his
pain. He had to be crucified. He knew it.
How do you feel if you know they are going to put nails in your
hands and your feet? Would you like that? Wouldn’t your
spirit be troubled? Would you want that to be happening to
you? No, you don’t. So that is again another teaching
for us that really not being self-centered and sacrificing is the
ability to go even that far, if that is the Will of God.
As I have said, I hope this time we won’t have any martyrs, and all
those things that have happened to the other religions. But
that is the Essence of his teaching, isn’t it, that we reach a point
that if God Wills us to go through that experience, we will.
But, of course, hopefully we won’t because He has prepared the way
this time pretty good.
Even freedom of religion in this country is one of His Doings.
I couldn’t talk like this if I was in Iran or another country that
doesn’t have these things. We wouldn’t be able to sit in the
Internet and talk with the people all over the world. We
wouldn’t be able to make films and movies and give them to whoever
wants to listen to these Satsangs.
Hopefully, this time mostly with the education and understanding,
the truth is going to come to humanity. All of us have to
understand this teaching, become one with it and teach others.
As we educate them (and we will become more educated), we will have
more people realizing the truth who are going to give up all those
delusions of guardian angel, ethereal beings, this guru and that
guru, this Prophet and that Prophet, this religion and that
religion, and eventually say, “Look, it’s already within us.
We have it.” God already put it in us. Why go anywhere
It always reminds me of Vitale in Quebec. He was saying the
story about gods. They wanted to hide the Essence of man
because he fell. They wanted to hide It somewhere that man
never could find. So all the gods got together and discussed,
“Where can we hide this that they cannot find it.” They said,
“Let’s put it in the middle of the earth.” They said, “No,
they’re going to eventually get to a point that they know how to go
through the earth and find it there.” They said, “Let’s put it
in the tree.” They said, “No, they’re going to cut the tree…”
Anyway they thought about it, even to the sky. “No, they’re
going to make spaceships and go to the sky and find it.”
Eventually the big guy, the big God, the head God, to us…
Well, it’s a story. Of course, there is only one God but He
said, “I know. Let’s put It within themselves.” Then
they cannot find It because they are going to look everywhere else
for God but where It is really, which is within us.
That’s what we can see the human delusion still is. They are
looking for Him everywhere else but where It already is. That
you already have It, It is within you and that that is where you
But, of course, we look there by guidance of the Word of God.
If we don’t go with the guidance of the Word of God, we might be
taken with the other beings that are not as pure, as beautiful, as
So you have to be very careful, when in your meditation, that what
comes to you is according to the Word of God. That will guide
you not to be taken over with the unclean spirits.
So in that, answering your question, it happens, as God always does,
it has many reasons, many purpose when God does something. One
is He… In one Essence maybe his human part came out in that
moment and his spirit became troubled, as he himself said.
He didn’t want to go through it, first. Second was, in that
lifetime God was manifesting that in that lifetime he realized
surrendering and submission to the Will of God so the next time he
teaches, the Essence of Islam is surrendering and submission to God.
So in the next lifetime he takes the same theme that he left in the
Third is that it is given for us to strengthen our belief and faith
in these revelations. Again, of course, God promised to both
Abram and Abraham that there was going to be a Prophet come from
Isaac and Ishmael.
So we have that one part is to strengthen our faith but this is
another one, that we can see Christ became surrendered and
submissive to God in that moment, and the next lifetime he brings
the surrendering and submission as a new revelation of God.
Now we put all of them together and all of them now make sense.
Go ahead. Follow up? Go ahead.
But even when the Prophets do something where it’s -- it’s like it’s
their human nature or their human part, they never go to their lower
nature? Is that correct? Or… Do you know what I am
Yes. They do not usually make as big a mistake as other humans
do. And even sometimes it might seem they are not completely
going to their higher nature but there is reason for their action
and it strengthens their station where they are.
So, yes, God is protecting them very, very well. There is no
doubt about that. In a sense, no, they don’t fall to their
lower nature, absolutely. Yes, that’s true.
Any other question here? [quiet] [someone saying
I asked if there are any other questions from the
other places. Are there any other questions here, from the
There are no questions here. Does anyone have
any questions in Quebec or France?
No, I don’t have at the moment.
Yes, I’ve got a brief (?) more question. A very brief one.
Go ahead Ishvara.
I will ask Rahdah to translate. [now they speaking in French]
[[[and this side of the tape ended]]]
Yes, I understand the question. The question is about
clothing. With the Mission we have some rules about
clothing. For example it is preferable to wear skirts instead
pants or trousers. Maybe Ishvara thinks that for a person it
can be the same kind in Islam, the women who have to hide their hair
under a … I don’t know the word in English. It can be
for some person the same kind of rule. What do you say
[asking us is the question about clothing] If we understand
the question, after we confirm with everyone here, it seems the
question is that we have some restrictions for clothing in the
Mission and if we are required to have the same clothing as the
Islamic people, or what do I think about that? That part
wasn’t very clear.
No, it’s not the same thing, the same rules as in Islam but the
skirt for woman, the obligation to wear skirt instead of pants can
be of the same kind of the thing they wear on her head, woman, for
Islam. It’s an obligation. It can be the other, skirt as
[discussion about what Rahdah said as it was not clear] Well,
really, even in Islam it wasn’t restricted or required that the
woman to wear chador. That’s what it is called. But it
was required for them to be modest. Actually it’s something in
Arabic or in Persian called having Haya. It means women who
are not aggressive, who do not want to show off their bodies.
They would rather be very modest in spirit. Spiritually such
women really don’t like to be exhibitionists or the people who like
to show off their bodies.
It is again a kind of a spiritual thing that the
woman herself feels that she wants to follow that kind of a life.
The more they cover themselves, they feel that they are more
All the Prophets accept that and recommend that in
every religion and every revelation that the women… Men are
very attracted to the bodies of women. Women are the keepers
of the door to heaven as we talked about it.
If they said, “Women,” which, of course, we don’t
really mean woman as woman, as the human body but as the lower
nature of man, fell, then they have also the key to bring the man
back to heaven. If the bodies of women are attractive to men,
what does it do to men? When the body is naked and exhibited
to the men, it brings them to where? It brings them to the
lower nature. So do we want to do that?
Do women want to bring men to their lower natures?
When men come to their lower natures then they seek what? They
seek lower things, women and the body. Really women become
their bodies instead of their spirit. So by covering it and by
being modest and not bringing men to their lower natures, men also
go to their higher nature and they seek greater things, spirit and
God. They look at woman as a being, as a human, as a beautiful
God within them instead of the physical bodies that bring men to
their lower natures.
Even in the advertisements, if you notice, they use
beautiful women half-naked. That’s how you sell things to
people by bringing… That is well known to many advertisers and
people who try to sell things to the people: soft music, and
music that relaxes you, and also sexual connotations bring you to
your first and second chakras. When you are there what do you want?
You have a lot of desires, attachments, wants, and all those things.
After they put the music and relaxed you, and then
showed you a beautiful woman with the half-naked body, then they
say, “Buy this car.” What are they saying? First they
bring you to the first chakra and then they say, “Really, that is
what you want. That is how you can get that kind of life.
With having this beautiful car you can have that kind of woman that
we just showed you.”
So what they are doing is bringing you down to the
lower nature and then selling you whatever they want. And as
you can see many people are buying heedlessly to
this advertisement. They are buying things that they really
don’t need. They are spending their money for the things that
are really not that necessary. That is why they have been
using these techniques that they know work.
But they tell you that Moslems are no good.
They are telling their women to hide themselves, they are
restricting them, and they are bad people. Because that’s what
they want. They want the whole world to follow their things.
But the whole idea is not having a long skirt.
You might have a long skirt but still be a loose woman. That
You have a long skirt because you want to, because
you desire inside that you want to be modest. Because you
understand these things that how women can affect the society.
Women have great responsibility to bring men to their higher natures
and make the men look at them as their beautiful beings, not as a
Again, it’s not a restriction that we are putting on
women. It is a restriction that women should put on themselves
by understanding these teachings and by realizing how they are able
to help the society to come to the higher nature and stop this kind
of advertisement the mentality that, “It’s OK to show your body all
over the place,” and at the same time have a spiritual environment.
You won’t. It just won’t work together.
So Prophet Muhammed also didn’t say that you need to
put the chador on. It was a tradition in those part of
cultures that women used to wear chador and eventually… There
is no place in the Koran that says you have to wear chador.
It says, “Be modest. Cover yourself and be open only to your
husbands.” Those things bring a beautiful environment to
everyone. It doesn’t bring the stimulation…
What are we trying to do? We are trying to stop
the stimulation of the lower nature of man. The sexual
stimulation is one of the biggest stimulations for human. They
have a lot of problems with it.
They are seeking relationship all the time.
They are trying to find their other part, their Soul mates, and this
and that. You turn on the television, it’s all about sex and
all the jokes about the sex and things about these things.
What does this do to you? It brings you to your lower nature.
Prophet Muhammad was trying to eliminate that kind of
stimulation in the society. He succeeded pretty good.
Actually it’s very wonderful. I’ve been living in those
societies and women are not looked as a body, but as a human, not as
a physical body.
So if we understand the depth of it, then it should
be the women themselves to volunteer to do this. They
shouldn’t do that because I say so. They should do it because
God says so, because they understand why it’s good for them to be
covered and keep their physical body under wrap.
It’s also more beautiful for their husbands and their
husbands are going to… Women in Islamic countries are so
mysterious for men. Here there is no mystery left. You
can see everything on the television. There is no really, that
attraction you can see in those countries, in Islamic countries.
I think it is even better for women themselves.
The women themselves don’t realize how more beautiful they will
become, how more respectful, and how more desirable to men, if they
covered themselves and not show off everything they have.
It’s not something we require. I like to see,
of course, women to be in a long skirt and modest as much as
possible. The more modest… But it shouldn’t become a
requirement. It shouldn’t become rigid.
Nothing should become rigid in the Mission
because if it’s a requirement then the women don’t do it because
they want to but they have to. Anything you have to do, it’s
That’s another thing about this teaching that you
have to understand, why not just do it because I said to do it?
It is because you want to do it. It is because you realize
that if the society that we have, the Communities of Light,
women are emphasizing in their beauty in their spirit, in their
nurturing, in their motherhood, in their wonderful ability to be the
center of family, then that is the most important thing for you too.
And then you will comply with the requirement of God that, cover
your body and wrap it up.
If you don’t want to do it, then if you are forced…
It is just like, even in Islamic Countries there are a lot of women
who cover themselves but they are loose women. And they are
well known. Actually there is a poet who made a poem about
this, that the woman was in the chador but at the same time she
wasn’t very protective of her private parts. So it’s kind of
a… Really being under the chador doesn’t mean you are a modest
person. You are forced into it. So it has to again come
from Spirit, it has to come from you, it has to come from your
I know the West is pretty much against that idea.
They think, “Oh, Islamic countries, those poor women are in…”
Probably they are right in one sense, most of them have been forced
to do it. And that is no good.
But if they understand why they are doing it, then
they can be beautiful women, educated, well taught. But we do
not require chador. No. You don’t have to wear chador.
But be modest. That’s all that is required.
Does that answer the question?
I understand the things that you say. Of course, I understand
that it is not good that men or women are attracted sexually in the
Mission. But the sense is very clear for me. But for
French or for an American, maybe an American woman when she wants to
be beautiful for a man, she puts a skirt. She leaves her pants
and she puts on a skirt. So it is exactly the contrary.
Understand? When she wants to be sexy, she puts on the
beautiful skirt. But when she wants to be normal, she puts on
the pants. You understand? [something about
[laughing and we all talking about what we think we heard]
Well, first of all I forgot, the dress code is not only for women,
it’s also for men. Men, we are recommending not to be naked
from the belly up and from knee down. So they should cover
from their belly to their knee at least. I guess probably that
was because they had to work. Sometimes working out there is
hot and things like that. So it’s OK for them not to have a
shirt on or things like that. But even men are recommended to
be modest and that.
I talked about women because that is what most of our objections are
but men also are supposed to be modest and keep their bodies as
wrapped as possible. They shouldn’t even be showing their
But about your question, as we understand it, you are saying that
women wear skirts and things like that to look beautiful to their
men. Then when they go to the wedding they wear long skirt to
be modest and all that.
That is what I said, it for the women who understand the implication
of their action, how it affects the society, and how they feel about
how they affect the society themselves. Also if the women are
taught from the very beginning, from childhood, that they should
manifest their beauty as a spirit, as a being, as a human, and keep
the beauty of their bodies for their husbands, when they grow up
they are beautiful inside and out. Their husbands are going to
love them because they are modest, they are chaste, they are
dedicated to their husbands, God, their lives, and their families.
Men would love such women.
The physical beauty fades away. Women have physical beauty
only for what, twenty, thirty years? After that, all of us
change the shape of our bodies. We lose all that beauty.
But if the man loves you for your body, what happens when you get
old? They just forget about you because you don’t have any
beautiful body anymore?
But if you base the whole society and the community on the Spirit
and Beauty within and dedication and love, that you love that person
not because of the body but because of who she is, then the body
doesn’t matter, does it?
So you see, women want that love forever. They want it for the
rest of their lives. They just don’t want it for… The
real women I’m talking about, the chaste women, the good women, the
women who are Godly. They want to create an environment that
someone loves them for the rest of their lives. They want to
create an environment that lasts for a lifetime. Having a
beautiful body doesn’t last for a long time.
Again, we have to emphasize the Spirit, the beauty within, the
dedication of the couple together, the life of the couple based on
God. Such a relationship doesn’t fade away when the body fades
away because the love and beauty between them is based on a much
They love each other even when they are old, crooked, and all that.
That does not come by showing off your body. Actually the
women who shows her body all the time says, “That’s all I’ve got.
You should love me because of this.” When she gets old and
crooked and the man leaves her, she is surprised why he left.
Well he wanted you for the body. It’s not there anymore.
Why should he stay around? You didn’t have beauty from within.
So these things are things that a real woman
understands very deeply and she prefers to be covered and show her
beauty outside instead of her physical body.
One of the things this society teaches women is to
show your body, show your body. That's what you are.
That's what you are. You are your body. You are your
body. And the men say, “Yes, I like your body. I like
your body. But Oh, it’s not good. You are old. I
want to go to another body which is younger.”
So is that what women really want? I don’t
think so. I don’t think they want that at all. They want
a deeper relationship and a deeper understanding from man.
They want to be respected. They want to be loved. They
want to be looked at as a being who helped them in their lives and
not just go with the first beautiful body they find after her.
We can see that even in this level we have to be
taught from childhood what is more important; not our bodies but our
spirit and our Soul. If they understand that, if we teach our
children things like that, when they grow up they will look at other
beings as Soul, not the physical body.
That is another sign that we can see everywhere…
Even in the West it didn’t used to be like this. It’s getting
worse and worse every day. And the people are buying into it
that, “Yes, that is the way to go. It’s OK. I do
whatever I want. If I want to just go in the street naked,
Even men, we have a lot of transvestites who wear
women’s clothing. You said the women wear pants. That’s
exactly in the Bible that it says that when women start
wearing men’s clothing, that’s the end of the world.
So even God is not very much in favor of women
wearing men’s clothing. And pants is men’s clothing. At
least it used to be. I don’t think even in the United States
people wore pants fifty years ago, or even thirty years ago, or
forty years ago.
These things are man-made that have been creeping
into human consciousness. They are changing things around and
saying it’s OK. But God clearly says in His Scripture, “It is
We have to teach our children these things.
Bring a much deeper level of Spirit into society. That is what
the Communities of Light are.
Communities of Light are an environment that the stimulation
of the lower nature is at the minimum possible, so we can
concentrate on higher things.
Actually a women who is modest is much more beautiful
to her husband than if she shows off her body all the time.
These things have to be recognized with us first,
with the women who like to be in the Mission second.
They have to realize themselves. It doesn’t affect me.
They can be half-naked, it doesn’t affect me at all. It
doesn’t make any difference to me. They can do whatever they
It’s affecting them. It is not required,
something I require. It’s something they have to require of
themselves by understanding why.
If you have any follow up go ahead. I hope I
answered your question. If not, go ahead.
Maitreya, we understand very well what you say when you say
man and woman have to wear clothing… We understand very well because
I’m going to tell Rahdah in French [French].
It sounds so much like Arabic.
Maitreya, it’s about Ishvara understands very well the reason
to be modest. But the point is on the meaning of the clothing,
the meaning of the pants, the trousers, and the skirt. Ishvara
said that a lot of people will see that the trousers are less sexy
than the skirt. It’s about the meaning of the clothing.
He said also that some women have never worn something else than
[we talking about, what did Rahdah say??] Well, we’re trying
to find out exactly what the question is here. We’re
confirming with everyone. Just be a little patient.
[more talk about what Rahdah said]
According to these ladies here and Isaac, the discussion is…
First of all it’s a new tradition. It didn’t used to be that
woman wore pants. They didn’t wear pants, so it was men’s
clothing. Second of all, Isaac suggests that being beautiful
is different than being sexy. So apparently we are not against
being beautiful. Women can be beautiful. And
actually, probably it is recommended that they be beautiful, clean,
and all that. It’s OK to be beautiful, but not showing your
The third opinion is that probably you’re talking about the skirts
that are very tight and it shows the body again instead of being
just a skirt that covers the body, it’s flowing and something like
that. So that makes it different.
And the fourth one, of course, is Ma’s opinion that that’s God’s
Word and God says do not wear men’s clothing and who cares who says
what [laughing]. So that is the ultimate Word of God and He
says that when women start wearing men’s clothing then that is the
end of this era and the end of the world.
What is men’s clothing? Men were wearing pants
for thousands of years and women weren’t. So apparently that
is what God meant when He said men’s clothing, He meant men’s
clothing which meant pants. And the pants have been worn by
Actually I have seen women who wear pants, even in
Iran in those villages. It’s a different kind of pants.
It’s a shiny kind of a material they wear. But they also wear
something over their pants. It doesn’t come all the way to
their knees, it’s a little higher, but it covers the sexual part.
That is beautiful. They wear them, they work with them, they
sit and do all the things they have to do. Also some people
have pants but at the same time they have a longer skirt which goes
over them, so again covers they bodies and that.
But the pants that the women wear now is the pants
that are very thin and then they don’t wear any underwear underneath
and they try to show off as much body as possible. You can see
all their curves and their body. So I think that has a very
sexual connotation into it and there is no way you can say it’s just
for the comfort of it.
So we can see that the attempt here mostly is to show
the body off. And that is, I think, where the objection comes
from. The objection is that women have to become spiritual,
beautiful mothers, and manifest that part of themselves instead of
being attached to the physical body and the physical body becomes
crooked. If the women understand that, I think that they will
agree themselves that the body is going to become old.
Those who don’t, they are not spiritual women.
They are mostly physical and when they get older they realize, “WOW,
that wasn’t very good. I’m not pretty anymore. I can’t
show off my body anymore. Yes.
I think that everyone in the Mission, all the women in the
Mission that were used to the culture of wearing pants and then
when they came to the Mission it seemed a little bit odd to
switch from wearing pants all the time to wearing a skirt all the
time. I know Ma was saying, “But I’ve never done that,” and,
“You can’t do things.” And I said, “Well just try it.”
I think it happened to all of us. Then once they started
trying to wear skirts all the time it becomes so regular. I
mean, we garden in skirts. We ride our bicycles in skirts.
It is no big deal. It’s just kind of what we wear and it’s
very comfortable. Even though in the beginning it seems kind
of different, once you try it and realize, WOW you really are more
modest and you’re not getting funny looks anymore. It does
Well, that is the opinion of a woman, so. I am not a woman, so
you have it right from the mouth of another woman how it works.
I have never worn a skirt, I never will. If I do that then I’m
transvestite and [laughing] then I have to think twice about God’s
Ma has something to say. Let’s see what she has to say.
This is Ma and I think I was probably the worst of anyone who ever
came to the Mission. I felt like it didn’t matter what
a woman wore. That was because in my experience I saw women
who wore long skirts and were very promiscuous. I felt that
that was a lie and I didn’t want to lie. I was who I was and
it didn’t matter what I wore. Well, I found out very shortly
that I was wrong.
How I found out was when I was in the meditation room
Reminder. There was a visitor here who was in front of
me who was wearing pants. When she was doing the part where
you get down on the floor, I don’t know why, but I am sure it was
God made me open my eyes, and what I saw was very displeasing.
That was the last of my pants. I got rid of
them all and I went to skirts. But it probably took me longer
than anyone else because I’m very hard headed and something has to
be proven to me positively, and it sure was. That was the end
of it for me because I saw that that was awful. It was just
absolutely awful and I didn’t want to look like that.
Especially when you’re supposed to be worshipping God.
So I think God knows what He is doing.
Sometimes if we just follow Him, then we can later see what it is He
is trying to get us to understand and see. He’s interested in
the whole universe not just in a few people or one religion, or…
He’s interested in the whole universe and He knows how it runs.
When He speaks, or when He gives His opinion… Well, it isn’t
His opinion. When He gives His Truth, then we should really
consider that that is the truth for the whole of the universe.
OK. I couldn’t say it any better than this. That’s what
God wants and that’s what the modest woman will accept as something
that will affect their lives, will affect their husbands and family
lives, it affects their communities, it effects the whole earth.
It sounds like trivia but it’s not. It’s not trivial at all.
It’s very important that both men and women become modest, we create
communities that are modest, emphasize on Spirit and higher things,
create men and women who are married and are married because they
are helpmates, and they cling together because God desires them to
If we accept God then those things become very
unimportant to us. We will accept this thing because that
affects our spirit also. We do not have opinions or anything
like that, but what the Truth is and how we can create a better
environment for everyone.
If you don’t, that’s OK. As I said, I’m not
going to force anyone to do anything unless they understand why.
Any other follow-up or any questions? [a
question about putting in another video tape & another audio tape as
both were almost out] No, that’s OK, I think we had enough.
I do have [???] more question.
Ishvara did you say one more question or no more questions? We
did not understand that.
No more. No more. Zero.
OK. Well, then we’ll say our good bye’s to you. Have a
good week. Again think about these words and connect to me.
Send me e-mail. Talk about what you want to do for the
Mission, how we can help you, and if you want to do something
for the Mission or not. And if you want to do it,
let’s discuss how it can be done. If you have any questions,
send e-mail. It’s OK. We can bring it here next week and
talk about it.
I hope these things make sense to you. As I said, when you
come to the Mission you are no longer French, or a Quebecian,
or an American, an Iranian, or a Jew, or Hindu, or Buddhist, or
anything. You are not a Frenchman or Englishman or African.
We are all the children of God and that is how we are one. In
that Essence we are beyond all those narrowing things.
And we don’t follow our culture but the Truth of God. With
that we can overcome any propaganda and things that television,
radio, and all those things are teaching us we have to be.
Also, like Europe is becoming one, they coined their money and it
sounds like you are going to become one united nation of Europe.
That is a prophecy that is coming through. I was waiting for
it for a long time. But that prophecy is also coming
So everything is working according to God’s Plan.
It take longer than we think but He is working behind the scene and
it is coming. That is God’s Will, that is what He wants.
He wants to create the Communities of Light. He doesn’t
care where you are from, what kind of religion you had before, what
kind of ideas you have, what kind of a color you have. As long
as you understand this teaching and create the Communities of
Light, you are His Children.
See you next week. Sal-Om
Thank you, Maitreya, and Sal-Om to all of you.
Sal-Om, Maitreya, and everyone.
Sal-Om, everyone. Sal-Om, Maitreya.
Sal-Om, bye bye
Maitreya, and everyone, is going out the door and they’ve
said, “Good bye” to everyone.