Well, good morning everyone in the Internet and all over the world.
Whoever came, thank God that you made it. And whoever didn’t
come, may God forgive them [laughter].
usual, this is Maitreya. I will be here for the next
two hours as usual, and every week, unless you are informed that I
am not around or something. Otherwise I will be here and will
be open for any questions or discussion or anything on your mind, we
can go ahead and do it.
Anyway, Hi everyone. If you want to say Hi, go ahead.
Sal-Om. Hi Maitreya.
Sal-Om, to all of you from Quebec.
Sal-Om, Maitreya. Sal-Om to all of you.
Sal-Om Ishvara. Sal-Om Shakti. Sal-Om Rahdah. All
of you. God Bless you all and be with you.
usual I’ll open the Satsang for the discussion by giving you the
news. I don’t know if all of you realize that now all of our
material and literature is in HTML. Everyone can just go to
the site and read them with the browser. They don’t need any
other program to read our materials any more. All of them are
in that format.
think that is a good thing because noone has to have a specific kind
of a program or anything. If you have a browser, you can go
and read our teachings. So I think that is our good news for
we had an e-mail from a person who wanted to join us to the
conference today but he says he has a technical difficulty to join
us. We are going to go ahead and read his question and then
see what we can come up with the answer.
there is nothing else, we’ll go with his question. I’ll just
be here a couple of minutes, one minute or two, a couple of seconds,
thirty seconds, to see if you have anything to say, go ahead.
Otherwise we go with his question. [Isaac talking to Maitreya
about changing the name of our group in the conference room]
We go ahead with the question and Keyosha is going to read for us
what it is.
The question reads: “Respectable Mr. Joseph Emmanuel. I
would much long to join today, Saturday 26th of June, the
Conference Room where Lord Maitreya will speak, but due to hardware
limits I can not. I have followed very deeply and nearly the
theological questions of the Apocalyptical time and of the so-called
‘return of the Christ.’ I have gained the possess of many
precious information from many sources, and I have so lately
developed some questions which are maybe more refined.., more rarely
asked, maybe also harder to be answered.
question I would like to make to Lord Maitreya in his conference
today is if it is true that the Lord of the Hosts who oversees to
Our Universe, that Being usually called ‘archangel Michael’, will
‘descend’ on earth during this zodiacal Cancer-period, as announced
by Apocalypse 12:5.
“Considering that I’d like to ask this question directly to The
Planetary Christ, may I maybe ask you the pleasure to make this
question to Him in my name?
would deeply be thankful if it was possible for me to be announced
about this event, if it will take place in the Cancer-period, as
foreseen, or in another period of this year.
“Sincerely, I thank you, if you will bring to Him my humble request,
considering my wish and my hardware impossibilities.
Maitreya: OK. Now I have a question for
everyone. Does he have any question? Can anyone tell me,
does he have a question? Anyone on Internet, do you think he
has a question? [no answer] Hello, can you hear me in
Isaac: I don’t think he really has a question.
He’s just asking you to confirm [Shakti came in so you can’t
hear what Isaac said]
Shakti: Maitreya, it’s Shakti. I’ll jump
Maitreya: OK. Go ahead. Yes Shakti.
Shakti: I’m not understanding about that myself.
It seems like he – the bit about certain things, I’m not
understanding too much about that myself.
Maitreya: About what? About what you don’t
understand? [some discussion here about what she said]
He’s asking if Archangel Michael is going to come down to earth
because it’s the zodiacal period. That is the question.
That is what he wants to know, if I can answer the question if
Archangel Michael is going to come down because it’s the zodiacal
But he also tells me that he already has gathered a lot of
information, he already knows a lot, and that the name of the
witness entity is Archangel, and because it’s a zodiacal period he’s
supposed to come. OK. So he is telling me that he knows
a lot and that entity is called Archangel. There is no
discussion about that, no question that his name is Archangel.
The only thing is, is he going to come in this period or not.
And my question is, does he have any question? Isaac answered
it very well. He said, “No. He is just looking for
confirmation.” There is no question there. Exactly what
Isaac said is correct. He is not looking for an answer.
looking for a confirmation. He thinks he already knows.
The cup is already filled up. It’s full of his own ideas.
He thinks he has already found all the information he needs. The
name of the witness entity, no doubt about it, is Archangel Michael.
And now it’s the zodiacal period and he should come. Does he?
say, “No,” do you think he would accept?
Maitreya, is he saying that Archangel Michael is going to be
the Messiah? Is that what he is saying?
Probably that could be also inferred from his writings that he is
going to come as the witness entity.
witness entity is who? God is the Witness Entity. And He
cannot come because He is everything. How can He come?
Can He come? Can He come to earth and say, “I am everything.”?
If He comes to earth and says, “I am everything,” would He be in the
moon anymore. He’s on earth only.
that Witness Entity really is where? It is all over the
universe. There is no place that He is not.
Let’s accept his assumption that he is called Archangel. He is not
because Archangel is just a helper of God, not God Himself.
See, God is the Witness Entity not Archangel. Angels are just
helpers to the Witness Entity.
just assume that He is called Archangel. Then he is the
witness entity and he is everywhere and he is a consciousness that
is everywhere in the universe. Can he come to earth and say,
“I am here only.”? He cannot.
is what the whole base of Messiah and coming of a person as a
representative of God comes to us, as we have revealed, that God
prophesied the Witness Entity, the Universal Witness Entity that he
calls Archangel, prophesied that He would send the Messiah, He will
send a person, He will send a human being to earth, or at least He
creates a body of a human being which comes to earth and then that
Witness Entity, or God, can manifest through him. While He is
the witness entity all over the universe, He can come through him
and give His Message to humanity and to earth.
as a Witness Entity, doesn’t have the ability to come only to earth.
The only thing He can do is He can come through a body to us as
explained many times, when Christ was connected, whatever he said
was true. When he was not connected he said, “Don’t call me
even good. I am not good. Only God is Good.”
should he say that? If he said, “God is Good,” it means there
is a separation between me and God, isn’t it? If I’m not good
but God only is Good, it means that I am different than God.
So in that moment he is not completely connected so he feels that
separation, so he’s not good but God is Good.
can see that he was a human, as a person, as a man, as a body, but
what was behind him, the Spirit behind him was what the Witness
Entity was, which is God Himself.
why another time he said, “No one goes to the Father but through
me,” because that is exactly the truth: his message leads us
want to go to God, we have to listen to Christ. Prophet
Muhammed said, “Listen to My Prophet, whatever he says is whatever I
say.” Again the same thing, “Me and the Father are One.”
But in another thing that Prophet Muhammed always said, “No, I’m
just a man. I’m just a Prophet. I’m not the son of God or
anything.” But in another sentence he said, “Listen to My
Prophet. Whatever he says is whatever I say.” So in
another, “Me and the Father, or me and God, are One.”
can see the Witness Entity, in the sense of an entity which
witnesses all the universe Himself, it’s impossible for Him to come
and manifest Himself and say, “Here I am.” In what shape?
In the shape of consciousness? In the shape of a body?
In the shape of a person?
Looking at it that way, then we are saying the same thing: The
person comes who is connected to the Witness Entity, to the
Universal Mind. So we can see that a lot of people have a
misconception that God Himself, as a Consciousness, comes to earth
as one being, as an entity.
is true. That person… All of us are not our bodies.
All of us are consciousness. If we realize that, that we are
not our bodies, we realize and understand the concept of Messiah
that we represent in the
answer really is that the Witness Entity has been here all the time.
You don’t have to have the zodiacal period to have the Witness
Entity come to earth. He is always here. He is always
with you. He is you.
there is no way that you can say that God is not with us, or He is
not on earth, or He is not manifested, or He is not here. He
is always here. He is with you. He is you.
is no separation between us and God. The only reason we feel
separated is because our egos get in the way and we feel we are
different than He is.
receive a lot of e-mails like this, that the person already explains
to me that they know everything and they really ask for
confirmation. And I can’t give it to them because I don’t
believe that what they say is correct. I cannot give them
the answer to his question is that he has to realize our teaching
again. He has to go read THOTH. He has to
understand what the concept of the Messiah and God is, what is the
relationship between God and Messiah is and in this way they can
understand the meaning of all those words in the Scriptures.
What did he mean by the Christ in the world [Isaac couldn’t find the
word and someone suggested, “Planetary Christ.”] yes.
What did he mean by that? Why did he ask [can’t really hear
We were talking about the question of that gentlemen, and that most
of the people who send an e-mail and explain to me that they already
know everything and then also pose something as a question, they’re
not really asking a question. They are really saying, “I
already know it. Please just tell me what I say is correct.
I’m just looking for confirmation. I’m not interested in your
teaching, or you, or what you do, or what is in the
I am interested in my own little knowledge and that’s what I really
am looking for.”
course, if the gentlemen were here, I wouldn’t be so direct as I am
now, but I would probably very subtly try to make him understand
that what he says isn’t really what it is. So we have to
gently make these people understand that their cup is full.
They have to throw the cup away and get a cup empty so we can fill
the question that Isaac brought up was, “What did he mean by
Planetary Christ?” He refers to Planetary Christ and we are
looking for someone who can explain to us what does he mean by that.
Do you know, Ma? [Ma doesn’t know - - can’t hear her answer]
apparently no one knows. No one knows here in the
what it means. I can guess what he means.
said, I think in the Theosophical Philosophy and the teaching of Mr.
Crème, they believe there is a hierarchy, that they live in the
Himalayas. Maitreya is supposed to be the Planetary Christ of
this planetary system.
Apparently, not only is there a planetary System, there is probably
a Galactic system, the galaxies. Then many galaxies create the
region. I don’t know how they - - but eventually… So
they create a lot of mediators between you and God.
don’t go directly to God. You have no connection directly to
God. You can’t do that. If you want to go to God you
have to go to the Planetary Christ first and then go to the regional
Christ second and on and on, to be able, eventually, hopefully, you
make it through many planetary systems to God.
say, “No. That is not true.” You are connected to God
directly right now, here. You don’t need planetary system.
You just need to understand His Words in the Scriptures and go to
God directly. You do not need a planetary hierarchy.
lot of people, apparently, like that idea of hierarchy. I
think it’s probably an ego trip because if there is a hierarchy
there and a hierarchy here and I’m a big teacher here on earth, so
you have to listen to me before you can even go to the planetary
hierarchy. But this is not Scriptural.
we see this is not Scriptural. The Scripture never, ever,
talks about such a thing. It talks about God directly, that
you are connected to Him. Even in the Upanishads and the Hindu
teaching it says you are God, you are already connected.
can you have a hierarchy if you’re already connected to God?
So that is why they believe that Maitreya is the Lord of the
planetary system. So it’s very important to be very afraid of
him and respect him because if you don’t you’re not going to go any
further. No, that’s not true.
teaching is that God is always with you, always you’re connected to
Him. The only reason you feel disconnected is because of ego,
your attachments to your desires, your wants, and all of that.
If you can get rid of them, we have seen many saints, many wonderful
realized people, many Sufis, many Cabalists, many people in many
religions, they have connected to God directly without the need of
such an elaborate hierarchy.
read the book of Urantia. If you want a hierarchy, go read
that book. It’s hierarchy, upon hierarchy, upon hierarchy.
After a while I lost it. I said, “No hope for me. I’m
never going to get there” [laughter]. So many hierarchies, I
have to go through and so many people I have to please before I can
even approach the top of the top, which is God Himself.
there are seven chakras, seven levels of consciousness that we have
to go through, and in each of those chakras have tendencies and
desires that take you away from God. That is the most
important thing. That is why I do not accept the title of
planetary Lord, but as a Messenger of God, as a bringer of the
Message to humanity.
want you to go to God directly. You do not need a hierarchy.
You just need to work on yourselves and go to God directly.
Destroy all those hierarchies and be a fighter and a warrior of
destruction of those crazy ideas that are out there. And don’t
let your ego gets – say, “Yes, I’m a part of hierarchy. I’m
important and everyone else are not.” Everyone is important.
Everyone has the ability to reach God. The humblest is the
greatest and goes to God.
it make sense? Isaac, does it make sense?
Yes, it makes sense. So he thinks you’re probably a disciple
He think that I am the Maitreya that Crème is talking about.
Yes, Maitreya, it makes sense.
But aren’t you?
That makes sense, Maitreya. But where are these Great
Souls you were speaking of?
I mean, not aren’t you but weren’t you Crème’s Maitreya?
Yes I am, but he doesn’t know it [laughter].
think the question was, then what about those Great Beings that we
talk about in the
Paravipras, Elects, and… Where are they? Is that what
the question was?
Exactly, exactly. Why are they not now in the
You are here. [silence] Did he hear what I said [to
Isaac, our computer operator]? Did you hear what I said [to
[something about he couldn’t hear] Would you repeat, please?
I said, you are here.
I do not understand exactly the joke, Maitreya.
[laughter] OK. You are saying, where are all the Great Souls
that we are talking about? I said that you are here.
Rahdah is here. Shakti, and Ma, and Keyosha, and Sarah ji, and
Isaac, and me, and all of us are here. These I count as Great
Souls, those who are connected to the
And hopefully we will increase, our number will increase. That
is what our hope and our inspiration should be to receive the Great
Souls and work toward bringing them to the
who are absolutely dedicated to the
see the truth in our teaching, and any time I say something they
say, “It makes sense.” If it makes sense, it has to be from
God. And if it is from God then, as I have said many times,
who cares if no one else is in it right now.
know that it is from God and it eventually will catch into human
consciousness and they will come and take it up and love it.
it’s just like those first Americans, those white Americans who came
to the United States and everyone asked, “Where are the rest of the
whites?” They were the pioneers. They were the first
people who got here. We can’t just come here and say, “Oh, it
should be already done and everyone should be here and the ceremony
has to be started and the wedding is going on.”
it’s not. We are the pioneers. We are the first people
who are here. But if we understand the teaching and we love
the teaching and we accept that it is from God and it is the
fulfillment of the prophecies, we don’t care too much if there is
anyone in it or not, who comes, who doesn’t, who joins the
conference room or who doesn’t.
Actually I’m thinking about not to ask who is in the conference room
from now on. The most important to me is that I am here from
10:00 to 12:00. If anyone wants to join, join. Who
doesn’t want to join, don’t join.
have better things to do than the
then I don’t want you to be here either. If it’s not your best
thing in the world, it’s not number one for you in the world, don’t
come. Go where your call is. If your call is out
of this conference and somewhere else, then go there. That’s
where you belong because you don’t belong here.
conference is for the people who are dedicated to the
and want to know and learn and discuss and get on with the business
and on and on.
from now on I’m just going to sit here and say, “This is Maitreya.
I’ll be here from 10:00 to 12:00. Thank you for coming.
And if there are any questions or whatever you have to discuss about
numbers are not important, not a bit. If you are looking for
numbers, then you’re going to be in trouble, you are not completely
dedicated to the idea, but you are dedicated to the number of the
people in the
number increases, great! I love it. Number has power, no
doubt about it but I am not attached to the number. You
shouldn’t be attached to the number either. You should be
attached to the truth that is revealed through this
and me, and the teaching.
are dedicated to that, then you will attract many, many Great Souls.
And you are a Great Soul because you are attached to God but you are
not attached to the people in the
Actually, if you study religion, most of the religions are not --
they don’t have many numbers in them until they become a religion.
As far as the truth, it doesn’t have any numbers. The moment
it becomes a religion, everyone joins it.
Probably the only religion that had many numbers is Islam. Of
course, you had no choice. You either became Moslem or your
head was gone. So you didn’t have any choice. Even if
you weren’t dedicated still you said, “Yes, yes. I believe.
I believe. Don’t cut my head off.” So we can see…
want us to do that? Get the sword and put it at people’s necks
and say, “You have to say that the Mission of Maitreya is the
best in the world and that’s the last revelation, and you have to
join us.” Yes, you might get a lot of numbers but…
Moslems don’t have it either. A lot of people in Islam,
they’re not really dedicated because it didn’t start with
dedication. Actually, some Christians are more dedicated than
a lot of Moslems who claim to be Moslems because they are afraid to
say they are not Moslems.
say you’re not a Moslem then you’re an infidel and your blood can be
shed with anyone because an infidel is a person who anyone can kill.
So that’s not a true faith. True faith comes from your heart.
And that is why this
is an educational
We have to educate humanity to see our truth.
is so much truth in this
It’s amazing. When I was going through the website the other
day I was looking at this teaching and what we brought and just look
at them. It’s amazing how much truth we brought to humanity.
wonder very few people want to be in this
because the more truth, the less people want to be around it.
The less truth, the more people want to join.
can see we should not listen, or as I said many times on the
numbers, if you are then go where there are a lot of numbers there.
Go join the Haree Krishna, or Moslems even, they have a lot of big
numbers. But the biggest number is Christians in the world.
Go join them and just say, “I’m saved. Christ died for me.
Don’t worry about it. I can now do whatever I want.”
can see that the numbers are not important. Do not be attached
to the number. If you are attached to the number then you will
go away from this
is truth. If you are seeking the truth, you will find it.
If you are looking for numbers, you’ll go somewhere else. So
the numbers are not important a bit.
reach a point that I’m the only person in the universe who believes
in this teaching, fine with me. It is… This is what I
believe and that is what you should also believe too. You say,
“This is my belief. I don’t care what the rest of the universe
cannot reach that point, then you’re in trouble. You’re
going to always say… You’ll get very disappointed.
not saying not to get the numbers. That’s great. But if
numbers means to sell your Soul, don’t do it. Keep your Soul
and forget about the numbers.
you find someone is wonderful and they are very high Souls, they are
great, they want to do the Mission, they love the Mission,
they want to join us, they want to get on with the work and spread
the Message and put it in Internet, put it in a movie, put it in a
film, put it in any media that can reach human consciousness, it is
another thing that we discussed before, that human consciousness is
developing toward our Revelation. Not everyone is there.
A lot of people are getting…
imagine this situation in Bosnia. Six hundred years ago
Moslems came and did atrocity to the Serbs and threw them out of
Kosovo. Did anyone go and help them that this would not
happen? There was no one to help them. Now the reverse
happened, the United States went and threw the Serbs out and said,
“You can’t do that.”
see that, at least, human consciousness is a little higher now that
those kind of atrocities are not acceptable. That is a good
course, we have to do it everywhere, if it happened in Africa, if it
happened in Asia, if it happened anywhere else also we should defend
the human rights and the ability of people to be where they are and
wherever they want to live.
Actually, if we ever get to the point that the Kingdom Of God, there
is no border between the countries, what is going to happen?
You can live wherever you want. If you want to go to live in
South Africa, or in the middle of Africa, or in the North Pole,
that’s fine. You just pack up and you go.
are no boundaries for you. And when you go there you should be
received and accepted as a being. If you have the ability and
you can contribute to the community, they would accept you as a
person who is respectable and acceptable.
can see that the human consciousness is going toward more
understanding of human rights and all that thing, but it takes time.
said, we are the pioneers. Pioneers are usually very lonely
and alone people. They have an idea. They are on fire
for the truth. And they will take it and go. And they
are not swayed with the little things like the numbers or why
Maitreya walks, or why Maitreya talks, or why Maitreya
eats, and this and that, why
Maitreya is married, why
Maitreya is not married, why he has a child, why he doesn’t have
any, why he has only one child. Abraham had only one child
too. That has a reason for it.
can see that again it goes to your faith, it goes to your personal
decision that is it correct for me or not? If it is correct
then who cares if anyone can join us or didn’t? If it is not
correct, then what are you doing here? You shouldn’t be here,
you should be somewhere else that the truth is there.
found that what is in
is the highest truth ever you can encounter. I haven’t found
any faults in it.
don’t be a fault-finder. Don’t be negative all the time.
Look at the positive part of the
Don’t always try to find fault either. But find the positive
part of the
of the opening of the seven seals, the unification of all religions,
it’s the fulfillment of the prophecies. The very presence of
it destroyed an empire, an empire that was 2,500 years of a
foretold that it would come. The person got on fire, put
millions of dollars in the paper to say the coming of the
Maitreya. These are positive things that have to come to
your Soul, become one with you, and see that what we are doing is an
incredible thing that is happening. And God is behind it.
we be afraid if one person didn’t join, or another person didn’t
like it, and what we teach is not according to another person’s
understanding? No. Because we have God behind us and
that is all really we need. We don’t need people. We
are going for the people, we will lose God. If we go for God,
we lose a lot of people. Most of the people don’t want God,
they want their own little egos, little lives, and little house, and
little this, and all that. And they do not want to join us and
you’re true seekers you do not look for numbers and numbers will not
affect you a bit. But if you are a seeker of the people then
you will lose God. It’s really your decision which way you
want to go.
personally will stay with the
I will stay with this teaching. I will preach it, reach out in
any way I can. If those Great Souls that I am looking for
came, great. If they didn’t come, well they will maybe next
be back. For a short period I might die and come back as a
child and grow up. But I’ll be here Saturday at 10:00 after
twenty years, or twenty-five years.
it make sense?
Maitreya, you said that the number is not important…..if we
want to have the Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth, at least we need to be
more than four.
Yes. That is the real “catch 22,” isn’t it: That we
don’t care about the people if they come or not, you know the truth,
and also we need the people to come to join and do the
and we don’t have them. We have not received them yet.
And the people we have really are not that “gong ho” about it and
the amount of the energy that I would like to see they are putting
that doesn’t concern me because God said that His Kingdom will come,
that this is the stone that hits the statue and the statue of this
worldly system will be destroyed and be replaced with something that
will last forever, at least for 1,000 years.
again, I have to trust God’s Words, not the appearances. The
appearances can be very deceptive. You have to create a lot of
heart, much more heart than mind. Mind is critical. Mind
always asks questions. Mind is negative. Mind wants
things that it desires, but heart understands without questioning.
some of us have a good mind but we have to create more heart.
Some have a lot of heart that they have to create a better mind.
So we bring a little more balance in ourselves. Then again the
question is, which one are you listening to?
first question is you have to accept that this is the Messiah, this
is the teaching of God. This is the revelation that God has
predicted and foretold to come. If it is, then who cares if
it’s two people, four people, or none people. It will happen!
going to happen in this lifetime? Maybe, maybe not. But
we believe in many lifetimes and this
is huge, it is big. It is incredible. Moving it is not
an easy job. So maybe it needs many lifetimes before it starts
even moving and starts catching on.
should I back off of it this lifetime and say, “Wow, this is really
big, I can’t push it hard, there are not enough people to push it,
people are not participating, they are not as dedicated as I would
like them to be, they are not really putting effort, they are lazy,
they don’t want to do what I want them to do.” Would I be able
to stay so enthusiastic after twenty-three years of saying this over
and over and over and over and over, even being criticized, and
being called the devil or the anti-christ, and all that?
I still enthusiastic? I should have left it a long, long time
ago and said, “Just forget it. I can just go in a small place,
live in there, and I’ll be happy by myself. I don’t need
believe in God and His Words. He told me that it is going to
happen. That is good enough for me. Is there two people,
four people, ten people, a hundred thousand people, it doesn’t make
a bit of difference to me.
they going to come to the conference, or not? Of course, if
they come I will be happy. If I see the
grows, if I see the numbers created and increases, great. It
means it is going to happen faster and earlier than I thought.
willing to give it one hundred lifetimes before it is accomplished.
If it did one thousand, fine. I will come here one thousand
that faith, that acceptance, and seeing the truth in the
and how wonderfully He has fulfilled the prophecies. As I say,
even if an empire, two thousand five hundred years an empire, went
down the drain six months after this
started and fulfilled the prophecy, then you will not be dismayed
with the numbers: four, five, ten, twenty, or one hundred.
It doesn’t make a bit of a difference.
are, then you are in the wrong place. Your faith is not
strong. You are not really seeking the truth. Then don’t
Don’t criticize me. Look at yourself.
is nothing wrong with the
There is nothing wrong with me. There’s something wrong with
you say, “Well, my faith is not really strong. My faith is not
that strong that I say God said it and He will do it. I will
accept God’s Word and I will go with it no matter how long it takes,
no matter how many people come.” Then you have to look at your
own faith and your own self and say, “No, something is wrong with
me. I started criticizing the
I started criticizing the number. I started being attached to
the number. I’m going to be attached to this mind-set that I
have come into it.”
at the truth that is on earth. Look at the revelation that has
come. Look at the unification of the religions. Look at
the fulfillment of the prophecies. Then you say, “God, take
me. I am yours. Use me as you want.” Then you will
be used and you will be effective.
five people. You get five people. The other gets five
people. Rahdah gets five people. Shakti gets five
people. Those five people will get five people. Believe
me it will go so fast, you can’t imagine how fast the
is going to be fulfilled.
you sit on your hands and say, “Oh, no, no, there’s only five
people, what can we do?” Then it’s never going to happen.
look at yourself, look at your faith and increase your faith,
increase your participation in the
and do not be attached to the numbers but be attached to God and His
Words and His Revelations.
it make sense?
That makes sense, Maitreya, to me.
Shakti: You, my teacher, are the only one who can fill
my cup [she is crying]. I give thanks to you.
Maitreya: That is called The Holy Ghost touching
you. That is the true heart. It has no question but
loves God with all our mind and spirit. Thanks God.
Maitreya: Yes. Yes, go ahead, Ishvara.
Ishvara: You have said that it doesn’t matter how many
we are because what is important is that we believe in the truth,
the true truth. OK. But sometimes when I speak about the
with someone else, he begins to listen to me very carefully.
And after that sometimes he begins to smile. And I feel that
in his mind he thinks it’s not truth, “Dominique is a good boy but
he believes in stupidity.”
wouldn’t change my point of view. I am sure about what I
believe but I feel disease about that one. Do you understand?
Isaac: [repeating what Ishvara said] He said that
when he’s talking to someone, he thinks they don’t believe what he
says. They think, “Dominique is a good boy, but he’s caught up
Maitreya: Yes. Well, I understand what you
are saying. That goes again with the strength of your faith
And also, the whole
is not the way that it is right now. Remember we have received
the Kirtan. We have received the Reminder. The
whole idea was when our number increases, the people will go to the
street and start dancing and chanting and do the Reminder.
The people are going to come and ask, “What are you doing?
What group you are in?” And we will reach to the people who
are ready for this
way to spread the
is not really one by one. I did think -- it does not mean that
you should not talk to the people but don’t be attached to your
family, don’t be attached to your friends only, to convert them to
your point of view. There are people out there who are ready
and willing to be different than the rest and see the truth in our
teachings and come and join.
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one thing. Again, when you are talking to them about the
are you trying to convert them, or are you looking for a
just like the gentleman who sent me this e-mail. He really was
looking for a confirmation, “Am I OK? Am I doing the correct
thing? Is what I was saying to this thing, is it really true?
Do I really have that faith myself,” or am I telling them so that if
they say it’s true. Do I say, “Oh, OK, I find something good.
So it’s OK.”
really you are looking for them to tell you if you believe what you
believe is OK or not. You’re not saying to them that, “What I
believe is true and correct, I don’t care if you believe it or not
but that is the truth. Take it or leave it.”
they take it, fine. You say, “OK, God, thank you, you did it.
If they leave it you say, “OK, Chow.” I go to the next guy, or
the next person and talk to him. But if you are looking for
confirmation for your lack of faith, then it’s going to bother you
because they drop you and then they say, “Oh, OK, there’s something
wrong with this teaching, there’s something wrong with this
revelation.” There’s something wrong with my faith. And
then, of course, you’re going to not receive that confirmation and
you are going to feel bad about it. Then your faith is going
to be less than it was before you started talking to these people.
your faith is strong enough that you don’t care if they take it or
not, then who cares if they didn’t take it. Who cares if they
think I’m bad?
family thought I’m crazy, but not anymore. Not only they don’t
feel I’m crazy, they feel that I’m more effective than they are.
Or my love for my mother and my parents is even greater than those
children that live with them all their lives and didn’t leave them
and come here to start the
Why? It is because my faith is in God. My strength is in
God says you should love, and respect, and help your parents.
And we do. You don’t do it because they need it, or because
you’re going to look good, or you feel good. You do it because
God said to do it.
said when you marry you are one in the flesh. And me and
Sarah-ji are one in the flesh, not because Sarah-ji wants me to be
that way, but because God said it, you should not do adultery or
fornication. No, I don’t do it because I’m afraid of Sarah-ji
not to do it. I don’t do it because God said don’t do it.
It is as simple as that.
believe that this is the
and God said this is the
and you believe in it, who cares if they think you are crazy?
Of course they do. Of course they do.
you think that those people who were following Christ, that the
other people didn’t think that they were crazy, they were stupid,
they were out of this world, that they didn’t know what they were
it goes back to your own faith, your own understanding, and your
belief. If you believe in it 100% that that’s it, again who
cares if the other person doesn’t accept your revelation, or thinks
you’re crazy, or your not as good a boy as you used to be?
is the choice you have to make. You are being a born- again
person. A born-again person has a different lifestyle, a
different way of thinking. You no longer belong to whomever
you belonged to. You belong to a new family. You belong
to a new nation. You belong to a new idea. You belong to
that’s exactly what happened to me. When I was in Ananda Marga
I longed to go to Iran. I wanted to go to my family.
They were strangers to me anymore. I had grown out of them.
I loved them. It doesn’t mean that I don’t love them anymore.
I loved them and I tried to help them and if I ever see them, I
would be very friendly to them.
they are not my family. My family is you. My family is
here. My family is in the
said to my father, “You’re not my father. My Father is in
heaven.” He got very upset about it, but that’s the truth.
how much faith you have to create, that’s how much strength you have
to have to be able to get a few people interested. If you do
not have that strength, of course, you cannot be able to attract
anyone. And they will think you are crazy and after a while
either you believe you are crazy or you’re going to lose your faith
and go away from the
They are going to take it away from you.
yes, you have to be a very strong person, very strong and great
faith of the truth you have received. You are standing against
the whole world. If you don’t, the world is going to get to
why I said it is up to you. I’m just giving you the truth.
I can’t even save my son. I can give him my truth but if he
chooses to go to the world, that’s it. That’s it, the world
choose to go to the world, that’s fine. The world got you.
I’m not going to come after you and try to… I will if you
still have the potential. I would come, like a sheep that is
lost, I will leave the other sheep and come after you and try to get
you back to the fold. But if the wolf got you, and eats you,
and tears you up and eats you up, what can I do? It’s too
late, the wolf got you.
why I put so much effort in each of you to understand this strength.
I put so much effort on each of you to come to the fold and realize
that that’s where you belong. If you want to go, I’m going to
put effort for you not to go, but if you reach a point that you are
beyond help, I’m going to let the wolf eat you. That’s it!
The end of being the sheep.
can see that, yes, when a new revelation comes, only great Souls can
join it because it needs a lot of power, it needs a lot of strength,
it needs a lot of faith. If you don’t have it, then I can tell
you that this is the way it is. It’s really up to you to
choose it and eventually come to terms with it. If you don’t,
then I let you go. I say, “OK, it was nice meeting you, it was
nice seeing you. Thank you for all the help you gave to the
but apparently you are not creating that kind of faith that it needs
to stay around and carry on with this
Then you go away and I go…”
it’s not going to affect me. It used to affect me in the beginning
when I started the
and the people would go away. It would really bother me that,
Why? There is so much truth in this
why they can’t see it?
I question sometimes, “Why can’t you see, there’s so much truth in
this revelation?” Why can’t they see it? But I have
realized that there are people who can’t. Simply, they cannot
see it. And there are other things that catch them.
reached a point that I tried to persuade them not to, but if they
did I just let them go. I just said, “Thank you God for
sending them our way. If they want to go away I have no reason
to be upset about it. I’ll go on with the
of you here, I appreciate your being here but I believe that you are
the seeker of the truth and that because you want the truth you are
not going to create a cult. I’m not going to put trips on you
and keep you in the fold for a while and later on it falls apart and
then all of us suicide and kill ourselves, or those stupid things
that happen to a cult.
is not the way it is here. It is from God. It is the
truth. It’s not a cult mentality. I’ll let you go if you
want to go. I’m not going to persuade you or hold onto you and
put a trip on you and keep you here.
want to be here, you want to be here by yourself. If you don’t
want to be here, go. And if you find something better, come
and tell me. We’ll come and join you. But I doubt it.
I doubt that you can find anything better in the universe than the
that we brought to humanity.
you went there and you didn’t find it and you came back, you’re
always welcome. You always are the prodigal son, and you can
come back to this
But be strong when you come back.
again it’s your decision. Again, again, I’m coming back to the
same thing. It depends on your faith. It depends on your
Maitreya, this is Shakti. You were just cut off.
I was wondering… You are still on the screen but your voice just cut
off right after the word, “if.”
The word “if?” Which “if”? [laughter]. [to Isaac
about connection and asking if the others can hear him.]
Apparently Surf and Call, after 10 minutes [Isaac saying something
here but can’t hear it]. OK. After ten minutes our
connection is disconnected or something.
Anyway, the answer again really comes back to: What is your
decision? Do you like this
Do you think that it’s the truth? Do you want to help it?
Do you believe that it is from God? Do you believe that what I
say is true? Then you have to create a stronger faith.
not expect you to create the strong faith in a year or two, three or
four, that’s fine. But after seven years, I expect a lot from
the people who stay in the
for seven years. I believe that after seven years if they
don’t get it, then it’s very hard to get it anymore.
a way you are a little child yet, Ishvara. We stay with you
and pamper you for a while [laughing] and help you out in the
process. We understand your situation. We have gone
through it ourselves, all of us here in the
Sarah-ji is shaking her head, and probably Ma and Keyosha also.
these guys here, if they felt they don’t want to be here, I’m not
going to keep them here. I’m not going to even try to persuade
them. If they want to go…
Especially them, after being here for such a long time. If
they desire to go, actually I facilitate their going because after
all this long time if still they have a desire to leave the
then they should go, actually. They shouldn’t be here.
absolutely adamant not to accept or persuade anyone who doesn’t want
to be in the
the people who want to be in the
who want to do a good job. When they give me their promise, I
count on them. I want the people that when they say something,
I know it’s done. I don’t have to worry about it. When
they say they will do something I say, “OK it’s going to get done
and it’s going to get done fast.” Not in a couple of weeks, or
a month, or two months. They say they are going to do it.
I say, “OK, do it.” And I expect that to be done right away.
that’s the people I’d like to be in the
is not going to go anywhere. It’s going to become another cult
and I’m not interested in creating cults.
dropped my life for it and I think I would have been in a much
better worldly position if I had continued with what I had started
in my life. But I didn’t start this
to create a cult. I am not interested in a cult. I’m
interested in the truth and I’m interested in the people who are
strong enough, with great faith, and who want to be in the
They don’t put any trip on me and I don’t put anything on them.
We work together to establish this truth on earth.
evaluate your situation to see how much you want to be in the
how much do you want God and the truth? And don’t be swayed or
persuaded by humanity out there. If you are still affected by
the other people, then look at yourself.
start criticizing the
That is one thing I have seen the people do. Because they are
not strong enough to stand that pressure from outside, they start
criticizing and finding fault in the
so they can justify themselves to go away.
fine. If you want to do it that way, that is your choice.
But there is nothing wrong with this
There is nothing wrong with what we do here. And if you want
to find fault, as I have said, look at yourself.
you want to criticize the
and go away, that’s fine. You can do that but that’s not true.
It’s just an excuse not to blame yourself but blame someone else for
your lack of faith.
evaluate your situation. See how strong you are, how strong
your faith is. How much do you really believe in this
If you don’t, then fine.
I believe in this
and I’m going to stay with it until the end. If anyone wants
to stay with it then you have to create that kind of stubbornness
that I have [laughing].
it make sense?
Maitreya, you speak very, very quickly for me. I understood a
Understand a bit? [Isaac trying to explain what Ishvara said]
Well, if you want we can send a tape of this to Radah, and Rahdah
you can either explain it to him… I don’t know, it was a long,
long Satsang. I don’t think that we can explain the whole
thing right now. But if you can, we can send a transcript to
you so you can translate it for him?
It’s a very good idea, Maitreya. Very good idea.
It’s twelve o’clock and we leave you with God. Let’s all pray
for each other. Let us pray for those whose faith is not as
great as ours. May our prayer help them and may they create a
strong faith and join us whole-heartedly, 100%.
these words become the bread of your life and keep them in your
hearts through the week. Hopefully, we will see you all next
week in the conference and continue with our…