Good morning, everyone. This is Maitreya from the
Mission of Maitreya. As usual, I will be here every
Saturday from 10 to 12. Hopefully one day all of humanity is
going to join us in these Satsangs and we can talk to everyone.
surprised they are not coming. Actually I was looking at the
list and the list is the same number of our members. Of
course, you are always welcome and it is good to have all of you
here. Coming to the conference room is easier than it sounds
and I thought more people were going to be able to easily get into
it. A couple of people are telling us that they want to come
to the conference room but they are not making it, and they are
having a hard time to be in contact with us.
you all read the essay, “Does God Speak To Everyone Directly?”
I hope you all liked it. I would like to receive some
feedback. I received some feedback from Tahirah and Ishvara.
Does anyone have any questions about it?
I have a question about the three categories of hearing voices.
I was thinking about the voices of Joan of Arc. She was the
young woman in France who saved France. She said that she was
hearing voices to guide her to war. Those kind of voices are,
from my understanding, in the third category: “People who say
that God talks to them and told them a truth that helped them in
understanding or to receive a solution to a problem.” Is it
Yes. Very good. You answered your own question very
well. Joan of Arc received instructions to do something that
was necessary, and she was guided to lead an army. With the
great inspiration that she receive, she was able to lead the French
army to victory. She was a very young, probably very shy, girl
who could not even imagine that she could have done the work that
are absolutely right. That was not a revelation. It was
not prophesied in any prophecy that Joan of Arc is going to come.
No one was waiting for her. But God guided her to a great
is actually how you can see if it is a true voice or not, by the
fruit that you can see. If the fruit is bad, it is not good,
then it cannot be from God because God is good. If the fruit
is good, then it is from God.
Joan of Arc indeed was guided to do what she did. You are
absolutely right. Your answer is correct.
Yes, it was a good fruit but at the same time there were people
dying in those wars. So sometimes it is difficult to see the
good fruit in a war.
Well, when you get to that kind of feeling, read the
Bhagavad-Gita. In the Bhagavad-Gita it shows you
that also it is good to be compassionate and try not to hurt other
people or support any wars or destruction, but the universe is a
very destructive place and destruction comes in many forms. We
have to understand that that is also a part of God’s Plan and work.
Of course, we have to work to prevent it, but if it happened, we
have to accept it as God’s Will and prevent the things that the
human has power over.
just like, create the Communities of Light, create the
Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth, create the better relationship between
humans, reach out to space to colonize other planets and use the
resources that are out there waiting for us. All these things
are going to help the human.
there is something the human can do to prevent those destructions,
and there are destructions that are necessary to be done. It
is just like surgery. Many times we discussed this. A
surgeon cuts the other person up. It does not sound good or
look good when you cut another person but when the surgeon gets the
tumor out, the patient is healed.
a very, very fine line to look at how the destruction is going to
affect everyone. So in the case of Joan of Arc, it apparently
was a very good destruction because it saved France from whatever
calamity was coming to it.
have to look at every situation and every case, and come to the
conclusion, “Is it God’s Will or it is something that the human can
prevent?” But the human has the ability to prevent it.
not become too upset about destruction but focus on the goal of
creation of the Communities of Light and the Kingdom Of
Heaven On Earth, and eventually this destruction, hopefully, is
going to go away.
that make sense?
Yes, absolutely. It is very clear. Thank you,
Sure. OK. Anyone else?
I had a question about, does God speak to everyone. But we
teach that everyone can go to God, that you can directly connect us
to God. I can be totally connected to God as the way I should
be for my being who I am and I can feel Him and I can know Him and I
can love Him. But I do not have to be a Mouthpiece for Him.
There is only one person in a certain time who is prophesied to be
the Mouthpiece. But I can realize Him to the utmost even
though God does not speak directly to me?
Yes. Everyone can know Him absolutely through the Scriptures
and the Revelations sent by God through those Mouthpieces.
That is really the crux of the matter, that it is just impossible
for Him to come and have so many people say, “I hear God, and I talk
to God, and I am the great teacher, come and follow me.” We
have hundreds and thousands of them out there that, actually as I
have said, there are more chiefs than Indians. Everyone says,
“Oh, I am a teacher. Come and follow me.” That is
absolutely against the Scriptures and the Revelation that God has
given to humanity.
should be able to claim those claims. That should be exposed
and also taught and people educated that if your guidance is the
Scriptures, those Scriptures have come from the Revelation that has
come from the Messiah, the Prophet, the Manifestation, whatever you
want to call him or her -- usually it has been him so far. But
he is the person who has been prophesied to come for thousands of
years, for hundreds of years. He comes and fulfills the
prophecies, and then he reveals the new Revelation to humanity in
the purest form. So not everyone can come and say, as you put
it very well, “I am God’s Mouthpiece that I can speak for God and
that is what we should be doing…”
last week again a group killed themselves, around 500-600 people in
Uganda. And you know what happened. Again we have
another case that they went to destruction because the mouthpiece
was not really the mouthpiece. He was a false prophet.
So he led them to destruction.
we are teaching what? We are teaching, “Thou shall not
suicide.” Actually, that was the first thing that came out of
my mouth when I started the
“Never give up. Never suicide.” Those are two things you
should not be doing in the Path of Spirit. You should never
give up, that is it. You fall. You fall right to the
bottom of Maya. You even get worse. As Christ said,
“Your state is going to be worse than before,” because seven of the
unclean spirits are going to get hold of you now instead of one, and
you are going to fall to the very bottom of the barrel.
you are listening to is very important. Your company is very
important, your friends, and the people you keep as your companions
are very important.
said many times, “I am going to send these seven angels, these seven
revelations, these seven Prophets,” seven only, not hundreds, or
thousands, or millions out there that claim to be His mouthpieces.
seven angels only have the answer and the Scripture and the Truth,
and they bring it to humanity. Our teaching fits right into
the previous Scriptures and there is nothing you can find in It and
say, “No, no, no, no, no, what you are saying is not according to
the Scriptures.” It is according to the Scriptures.
am not teaching anything that God has not taught before. I did
not sit there and try to fit it to whatever was in the past.
It just came because it is the same Source and the same Being that
is coming through this vessel to humanity.
fulfilled the prophecies and all that. Is that an ego trip?
Actually I would rather someone else have this job and I probably
would do very well in other realms. It is not something that
you say, “Oh, that is great. He is on an ego trip and saying
these things. He thinks he has the connection and I do not
have the connection. He is just trying to make us feel bad or
disconnect us from God and connect us to himself.” No.
still say you have to be connected to God, but through what?
You have to be connected through the Scriptures, through the Words
that He sends to humanity through those who were His Mouthpiece.
So do not follow any false teachers.
Actually, I am saving you from a lot of headache and heartache, and
I am connecting you right to the Scriptures and saying, “Do not go
and listen to anyone who looks good, sounds good, is famous, or has
a lot of fads or he channels Ramtha.” For example, everyone
says, “That is fantastic, she is the one who is connected to Ramtha
or this hierarchy or that hierarchy.” After a while, there is
absolutely a lot of confusion.
Agers are in confusion because they do not like to listen to the
Scriptures. God already said, “This is My Word.” There
are some other voices and words out there that will call you to
listen to them and will tell you that they are the ones that you
have to listen to. You should resist it.
such a voice even came to you, you have a yardstick. What is
your yardstick? Your yardstick is Scripture. God has
already said, “This is My Word.” Is it according to Scripture?
Can everyone come and say, “I can talk
to God, therefore I am a teacher?” We can say that Scriptures
say, “No.” God says, “I will prophesy and will say who is
going to come. When he comes, that person, that being that I
am coming through, cannot say anything that I did not say.” He
just cannot. It is impossible for him not to say what God
wants to say.
is what that article is about. It is about saving you from
following false prophets, even falling into the trip that you hear
God directly. No one hears God directly unless you pick up the
THOTH, Upanishad, Bhagavad-Gita, Bayan,
etc. Those are the Words of God. Then you can hear Him.
you can hear Him directly if you pick up the Scriptures. And
if you hear any voice that is not the same as those in those
Scriptures, you are not hearing God but something else. They
might pretend to be God but they are not.
Path to Spirit is like walking on the razor’s edge. It is not
something that everyone says, “Oh yes, I am spiritual, I am going to
are a lot of false prophets, false teachings, and false statements,
and they think that they have the answers. That is why they
are not coming here and they think that they are the teachers
already and they do not want to listen, which is OK. But it is
very important to recognize this, that the only things we have to
listen to is the Scriptures, not what we think is correct, not what
anyone tells us is correct, but we always have to go to see if it is
the same as the Scriptures.
So that essay [“Does God Talk to
Everyone Directly?”] really, is the crux of the matter to save you
from yourself, to save humanity from going in all directions.
If everyone listens to the Scriptures, then what do we have?
We have unification again. There is a focus that unifies
humanity with the same teaching, the same realization.
shall not do adultery.” We would not have all these crazy
things going on in television, in radio and videos. You should
have sexual relationships in the bond of marriage. Now turn on
the television, “It is OK. This guy goes picks up that woman
and that woman goes to this guy. And the guy does not like
this man.” Hello! What happened to the Scripture, “Thou
shall not do adultery?” It just is absolutely gone.
what are the kids going to learn? Kids are listening and
seeing these things all the time. So it is OK to do those
things. And they grow up as if it is OK. Just the whole
thing is a mess.
you listen to the Words of God, then we will not do adultery.
The only way for a relationship is in the bond of marriage.
OK, get married, settle down, be responsible, create a wonderful
family and environment, and then invite sannyasins to live with you
and create the Communities of Light.
you will see so much peace, tranquility, beauty and openness come to
humanity. People are not open to each other because they do
not even know what is the opinion, understanding and way of thinking
of the other person. People are absolutely closed to each
other because they are afraid. They have their own ideas,
their own opinions, and they want that to be the best, and that
everyone else follows them.
everyone follows the Scriptures, they would not be that closed.
If everyone says, “God said this. God said that. We are
thinking on the same wavelength, therefore we are open. OK,
how can I help you? You think like me because I follow the
Scriptures, therefore we are very close and open to each other.”
very healing to understand these things. Again, it is not for
me. It is not something as an ego trip that, “I am the only
person who can hear God; you guys cannot hear. Just bow down
in front of me.” No, I do not want you to bow down in front of
me. I want you to bow to God and the Spirit that has sent all
this Truth to humanity.
that essay was from a very good question. Very good things
came out of it and we are going to put it in the Supplements as part
in the next edition. Actually there are a couple of
But Maitreya, you also talked about that we have to create
more Maitreyas. Sometimes you say that we need to
Maitreyas. Does that mean they will become a
mouthpiece, or how will that work? To understand that part of
what you said.
OK, what does Maitreya talk about? Does Maitreya
talk about that he is the person saying these things? If you
become another Maitreya, what are you going to teach?
You are going to teach exactly what I taught. If you are
teaching something that I did not teach, then you are not
Maitreya. You are again still yourself. Still you
have your own teaching, your own ideas, and your own opinions.
And that is not exactly what is in THOTH or the
Koran or the
Bible. So you are in delusion or illusion of being
Maitreya instead of being a real another Maitreya that
you are absolutely one with me and with our teaching and with the
that was what I meant when I said, “We have to create 144,000
Maitreyas who teach these things and awaken humanity to follow
the Scriptures, and we have to stop this madness that is going to
going to go to the destruction. A lot of people are in
delusion. They think they are having fun. But they are
not going to have fun very long. And it is going to get worse
we see that a 6-year-old kid picked up a gun, went to school and
killed another child. Or the day before yesterday, again,
there was another student who brought a gun to school and, of
course, they subdued the person. But we can see that this is
going to get worse. Why? It is because the whole base of
the society is not correct. They have forgotten God and they
have put Him out, absolutely out.
least they used to give lip service and say, “Yes, we go to the
church, or we go to the mosque, or we go to the synagogue.”
Even that one is not important anymore. Actually if you go to
the church, or mosque, or synagogue, or temple, they look down at
you, “Hey, he is one of those, he does not have an opinion and he
still listens, or at least wants to listen, to God,” and all that.
does not talk to everyone. He talks only to his Chosen One.
He prophesies, He tells such a person is going to come, and when he
comes, he will say absolutely what God wants him to say. He
does not have the ability not to.
Christ said, “If the Father tells me, I will tell you. If he
does not tell me, I won’t.” So you have to understand why.
I know a lot of people do not like the essay because they still
believe that God talks to them, but that is not true.
are not saying that God does not talk to everyone but He does not
talk to them directly. Also when the Revelation comes, that is
a new Revelation, it is a cleansing; it is something that humanity
needs at that time.
you will be guided. If you meditate, if you are diligent, if
you purify yourself, you will be guided. And guidance, that is
from God. But as Prophet Muhammad said, “God only talks to
mortal man from behind a curtain.” What does that mean?
That curtain is really our ego, is not it, that filters things
according to what we want?
when we lose our ego, still we are not going to become a Messiah, we
are not going to become a Prophet. We will become a person who
is closer to God. And still, it is a personal relationship.
It is not something that you bring a Revelation that is not
according to God’s Revelation and Scriptures.
Someone said to Christ, “You are a good Rabbi,” and Christ said he
was not good because the only person who is good is God. As we
discussed before, even the Messiah himself is not connected to God
all the time. He is a human. He is a person. He
has human qualities and all of that.
when you are connected, as Ishvara asked, it is a very fantastic
feeling. It is not really a feeling; it is a kind of a WOW.
As I have explained many times, no one has been able to explain how
it feels when they recognize and realize God or are connected.
It is something beyond the human ability to explain.
is not something that anyone can explain, it is a feeling, it is
something that you are sure what you receive is correct, it is true,
it is pure, and it is a fantastic Revelation. Of course, you
want to be in that relationship all the time but, no human body is
able to handle that much energy and power. It is just like you
are putting two million watts of electricity through the 200-watt
wire. So that is why most Prophets die early because they get
such a shock through that connection.
there any other questions? Is there any one new today that we
have to tell them about The Greatest Sign? [No one
Baha’i gentlemen asked two questions and we are going to answer them
here. And probably you can send the answer to him too.
Before we do that, we will give everyone here one more chance to ask
Do you think that it is necessary that the Son of God suffers on
this earth? Do you think it is necessary?
Well, that again goes according to the prophecies that will predict
the coming of the Messiah or the Prophet. In the case of
Christ it was clearly prophesied that he would go to the cross and
he would be crucified, or at least he would suffer and that he would
go through what he went through. But it is not necessarily
going to be the same for every Prophet who comes to humanity and
brings a Revelation.
But they do all suffer, for sure. Anytime you bring new ideas,
which are not according to the society, that person will be shunned
and will not be accepted. He will be looked down at and will
struggle to get his ideas across to the other people. That is
human nature to believe in what they believe and they are brought up
in. They accept their own religion and culture and the things
that they have been taught.
So accepting a new Prophet or the Messiah or -- and we have seen
that all of them have suffered up to this point. Even Prophet
Muhammad was stoned and chased out of town, the property of his
followers was confiscated, and they eventually had to leave Mecca
and go to Medina. Bab was shot at and was killed. Christ
died. Even Baba (Ananda Marga) was put into prison and all
But in our case, there is no prophecy that there is going to be such
suffering. Actually, it says he is going to talk to everyone,
but he never goes to the street [laughing], as we can see it now.
God created the United States that there is freedom of religion.
You can have any religion you want and no one is going to persecute
you for your ideas or your religion.
If I had started this Mission in an Islamic country, and
especially in Iran that is much more closed, even more closed than
when the Shah was in power, yes, I would have been persecuted and
probably would have been killed a couple of times by now.
But God has prepared much preparation for this Revelation to come.
Because this Revelation is mostly explanation. It explains
what has been a mystery to humanity up to this point. It
explains every point of religion that humanity had accepted as
Revelation from God but they did not know what it really meant in a
deeper level. It is really very intellectually explained to
humanity what it is that God has been trying to give to humanity.
And if you understand our teaching, really there is no mystery left
for you. It explains exactly every point, every question,
every Revelation. Everything that has been in the past that
has not been given to humanity now is absolutely given out because
it is the Seventh Angel, it is the end of it.
not foresee any great physical suffering but I have to tell you that
I have suffered emotionally, intellectually, discriminatively, and
socially. There is suffering, no doubt, relationship-wise with
the people who came and claimed they loved the Mission and
they wanted to be in the Mission.
you heard some of them. You have been involved with some of
them that even affected you emotionally. Of course, as the
disciples of Christ also suffered, you probably suffered also
emotionally because some people came and claimed and then they did
not do what they promised.
that sense there is a great suffering, emotional suffering, or
people claim and then you see they do not exactly mean what they
say, or promise and they do not follow through, when you do yourself
always follow through with your promises.
is a kind of -- that kind of suffering has been great in my case.
So you can see that even I have suffered in one sense. But I
have not been stoned. I have not been put in prison.
not mind if they want to put me in prison. If it works and
makes the Mission go, that is fine.
this time it seems the people who want the Mission have to
understand it intellectually. They have to realize the
answers. And it is a more subdued kind of Revelation. It
does not have that kind of, 5,000 people get fed, but hopefully
5,000 people will realize the answers to their questions in a deeper
depends upon each Revelation and each Prophet, and according to what
God said is going to happen. I have not seen anywhere in the
Scriptures that God said the Seventh Angel is going to suffer or be
crucified or stoned or anything like that. Have you seen
anything about that for the Seventh Angel? [no answer]
that make sense, Ishvara?
Cyber Audience: It makes great sense, Maitreya.
I can understand you loud and clear.
Very good. I am glad you understood that.
there any other questions? OK. We are going to go ahead
and read the questions from the Baha’i gentleman.
Question: Is man's spiritual journey toward God
eternal, as God's nature is eternal? Or does this Faith view
Pure Consciousness as other faiths do heaven or Nirvana, as a last
and final spiritual destination without an opportunity for further
The question basically says: Is there any end to our spiritual
journey? We reach Pure Consciousness, is that it? We
reach there and there is no opportunity for growth? We are in
Pure Consciousness? We are with God? We are in Heaven?
We are in Nirvana? We are in Samadhi, or whatever you call
that state? That is the end of it? So we reached our
goal and we are out of suffering, and, is that it?
Can anyone answer the question?
Audience #1: I would think that THOTH
tells us that that is not the end. As God is Eternal, so is
our growth eternal. He is still learning things. So then
we should be learning things also. Like, God does not speak to
everyone. That was wonderful!
Maitreya: That was a new revelation to you, huh?
Audience #1: That was a new revelation.
Audience #2: But there is a place -- you grow and grow
and grow and at some point you are in Pure Consciousness? But
it does not just stop. It is more like you are going up, up,
up, up and then you reach a place that you are one with God but you
still learn more things and you expand more.
Maitreya: OK, sounds good.
goal is what? The goal is to become like God. The goal
is to reach God, to merge with Her or Him, to become like Him.
The question is, when you reach there, is that it? God does
not learn any more, and He knows already everything from the past
and the future and now and forever? Therefore that is it?
He does not learn anything?
have learned everything already and that is the end of the whole
Probably the correct answer is that there are two states of Pure
Consciousness. As we explained before, one of them is the
manifested state, which is God, as most people refer to as the
Witness Entity in the universe. And the other one is the
unmanifested state of God that the Buddhists call, “nothingness,” or
Remember, when that desire arose in the universe, the first feeling
was, “I know.” So what was the feeling before that when it was
not manifested? If He knows, before that He did not know?
And then He said, “I do.” The second step was the feeling of,
“I do.” So He did not do anything before that? And the
last stage said, “Ah, I have done,” memory. He did not have
any memory before that?
that is true, then in what state was He? Therefore the
Buddhists call it “nothingness.” Well, nothing comes from
nothingness. So there was something. It was not
completely nothingness. What was it?
call it the state of “Being,” the state of absolute Intuition.
There is no memory. There is no doing-ness or knowingness but
at the same time He comprehends everything. He can do things
without doing them. He can remember without even trying to
that state is the state of the unexplainable, Being-ness. In
that state is the ultimate “to be.” To be or not to be, that
is the question.
the state of manifested consciousness, or God, what does He do?
He knows. He has to know. He is learning. He is
growing. He is manifesting. He does. He remembers,
say, “God is doing through me.” Who is the doer? God is
the Doer, I am not. In that sense again, God is Doing
promised Abraham 3,000 years ago. God promised Noah 12,000
years ago. So He has done, there is a history of God.
there are two stages that man can reach: to know God in the
manifested form, or to reach Pure Consciousness in the state of
Being-ness. In the Hindu religion they say the human is
like a drop of water that, when it reaches God, falls into the ocean
like a drop falls into the ocean. What does that drop of water
that has fallen into the ocean become? It becomes the ocean
itself; there is no separation.
you drop water into the ocean, can you say where that water goes?
That drop becomes what? It becomes a part of the ocean.
It becomes the ocean itself. That is when that ultimate
realization comes to us.
can we stay there forever? No, there is a possibility that we
will be sent back. We will be returning back. But when
we return, of course, we return in a much higher consciousness,
ability and manifestation.
still if we are not prophesied by God to come, so we cannot talk to
Him directly. We can have very great abilities and guidance,
like Joan of Arc or many people in history that had a premonition
that they were chosen to accomplish some great work for humanity or
the universe in general, and they have affected our lives,
they have not been prophesied to come. See, that is the
difference there. That is the teaching I really want humanity
to receive and realize, that they should be unified through God and
So it is not something that you reach
there and that is it, you are finished and you are done. But
when you reach there, you never fall back again. You always
have it. You come back, you work, but you are somehow
connected. You are in higher consciousness. You go
through life much easier, much stronger, much more connected, and
the world cannot get you as easily as it can get those who are not
that high in consciousness. The Maya does not have much effect
on you because you see through it right away; the emptiness of it,
“So it is very attractive, very interesting, but what happens if I
go through it?” You just right away see that it is going to
lead to destruction, not to the happiness and beauty that you can
have in your life.
do not fall for what the world offers you. You say, “No,
sorry. I have better things to do.” You even might fall
for it in the beginning a little bit, but you go through it fast and
you learn your lesson. See, you learn your lesson much faster
than the people who are not in higher consciousness.
is why God forgives you because He looks at your Soul, what you are,
not who you are.
answer to that question is a resounding answer of, “No, we are not
like other religions that you reach heaven or Nirvana or Pure
Consciousness and that is it, you are finished. Even then, as
it says, ‘I will spue you out of My Mouth (Revelation 3:16).’
You have to come back and help the whole humanity to reach higher
consciousness and Pure Consciousness.”
teaching again is different than those teachings that have a kind of
ultimacy to their journey.
just like getting your doctorate. When you get your doctorate,
you are not done. You have to go get a job. But your pay
is much higher than if you did not have higher education. So
if your pay is higher you have a more comfortable life than the
person who has to dig the ground. It is as simple as that.
you come back to this life, life is easier for you. You can go
through the Maya just like butter and come out of it and say, “Well,
this is not the answer. I am looking for something greater
than that.” So you eventually end up sitting and listening to
Maitreya and his teachings and God’s Revelation because you do
not want to go to Maya.
that make sense?
OK, let us go to the second question of that gentleman.
Is it not impossible to reincarnate the same entity again, as it is
also impossible in the physical world to see duplicates of the same
person (exact duplicates) in either the future or in the past?
That is to say, the duplication of the same physical essence is
impossible, so why then is the re-manifestation of the same soul
So the question is, if we cannot manifest a duplicate of a physical
body, therefore, how can we duplicate the consciousness or the
Essence of the same being to come? Probably he is referring to
our teaching that it is the same Essence who brought all the Seven
Revelations to humanity. Also it sounds like it is referring
to, how can reincarnation be true? If we cannot duplicate the
physical body, how can we bring the same Essence or duplicate the
same Essence back to the body as reincarnation?
First of all, that is not true anymore
that you cannot duplicate the physical body. They are cloning
the physical body to an absolute duplication of the original form.
They have duplicated sheep. Actually a lot of governments and
people are concerned that they might duplicate humans. And
they are very concerned about what the moral and other implications
are if the people do that. A lot of rich people are trying to
help these companies who do cloning, to be able to clone themselves.
Actually one of the prophecies is that Maitreya is going to
be teaching for 50,000 years when he comes. I am not going to
live 50,000 years. I was thinking maybe some people are going
to clone me [laughing]. Of course, each clone is not as good
as the previous one, so by 50,000 years I am going to start teaching
absolutely something else instead of teaching what the original
Maitreya taught. They say that Maitreya is supposed
to come and teach for 50,000 years. If someone finds some of
my genes or something and then clones me, they can keep cloning and
on and on. And it might last for 50,000 years.
In cloning, the personality of the original donor will be missing
from the clone, so it will not work!
Isaac says it is not possible to do that. But I think the
clone also has the personality of the person. No?
No, it does not. If the clones were brought up exactly the
same, maybe, but mostly all it has is the same characteristics.
How is that possible? I mean, if the Soul is this person and
you take one cell of the clone, what inhabits that body?
That is right. Very good point, that even if you clone someone
according to -- of course there are Souls hungry to come to this
world. If you clone someone, what Soul gets into that clone?
What kind of Essence is going to be residing in that clone?
Maybe it is not going to be a good Soul, or Essence, at all.
can duplicate the physical body today.
Doesn’t it need a fertilized egg?
Well, there are different kinds of cloning. One of them needs
the egg to clone and that is not important, they can do it that way
now. But the other one is that they can take any cell in your
body and duplicate it, and eventually create a new body of that
that is the one that they have not yet reached. So we can
clone. The whole point is that we can duplicate the physical
body today and in the future. So that is not correct anymore
that we cannot do that.
bases his question on that premise, that is not correct, that is not
true. We can make duplicates of the physical body.
said, also, when they are talking about the same person who comes
over and over again, actually we are talking about the same God
coming through that individual, the same Spirit, the same
Mouthpiece, the same Being, or the Universal Mind is sending this
Truth to humanity through that individual.
individual is one in Essence with the Universal Mind because, as we
explained in our teaching, he went through the Eternal Divine
and God said, “Let there be light, and there was light.”
Therefore, they are one. As Christ said, “The Father and I are
of course, that person who comes should have a little ego.
When that ego presents itself he is not completely connected and he
is human. But when that ego is not there, when he gives
Satsang or reveals THOTH, it is absolutely God, or
that Essence, coming through.
What is that coming through? What
is coming through is God. Is God the same God that came
through Abraham? Is it the same God that came through Moses,
or Christ, or Muhammad, or Bab? Therefore, it is the same
Being bringing these revelations to humanity again and again.
very similar to the question Ishvara was asking some time ago, isn’t
it? That how can the same person bring the same revelation?
It is very similar. I do not exactly remember what was his
question. But we had a hard time for a couple of weeks to
explain and go through that. Eventually it sounds like he got
I thought the question was just about reincarnation in general.
I do not think he was talking about the same Being coming as the
Manifestation. He was just wondering how is it
even possible, because of the natural law, that you cannot duplicate
the physical body. So how is duplication of the Soul possible?
He might be misunderstanding reincarnation. It is not
duplication. The Soul stays the same. The Soul is
something that just grabs a garment. It is like changing your
clothes. It is not duplication.
Exactly. If we just go back to a purely reincarnation point of
view, and forget about the coming of the same person and bringing
the revelations, in reincarnation when someone leaves, that Essence
returns. When that Essence returns, it takes an available body
and comes to the world.
Therefore, as was mentioned, there is no duplication; we are not
making another being or another Essence, which comes. It is
the Essence that comes back and that personality, that
consciousness, that level of realization, that Being that was in
this body, returns and takes another body and says, “Here I am,” and