I hope you all have enjoyed the Feast of Tabernacles so far,
including the wonderful lectures, and there are more to come.
How are you doing,
Tahirah? Good? I have seen these people before, and we
have a new face. How are you doing? Very good.
Nice to have you here.
How is Florida?
Good? And the family, everyone is doing well? That is
very good. I heard Shakti say that everyone is OK in her
And Quebec, doing good?
Yes, very good.
Someone told me that Quebec is one of the prettiest cities in the
It is one of the prettiest, yes.
I spent around a week there. I went to a couple of parks and
things like that but I did not get to go outside of the city.
Do they mean Quebec in the winter or in the summer [laughter]?
Probably in the summer, mostly.
And how are you doing?
I heard you are already preaching the Mission
all over the world [laughter]. You started Mission
work already. How did you hear about us, about the Mission?
On the Internet.
You just came across it or someone told you about it?
I just came across it. I do not remember what I was looking at
but I ended up looking at this site.
And you took The Greatest Sign all the way to the Himalayas?
Actually I would like to reach to the Himalayas and the Far East
because they are waiting for Maitreya to come and purify
their religion. Of course, some of them say that the Buddha
said that the Maitreya
would come in 5,000 years. Other people say in 30,000 years.
And another person was saying that it will be around 700,000 years
from now that the Buddha Maitreya will come.
When I was at the
University of Mississippi, I read that Buddha said he would return
in 2,500 years. Then I had the name of Maitreya but I
did not have the whole Mission
revealed to me, so I said, “Well, that is interesting.” I just
passed over it and forgot about it. Later on, when the
Revelation came and all that, I remembered I had read it. I
could not find where I had previously read it.
I looked for this book
for a long time, to find where was that pro-phecy. Recently, a
couple of months ago, Jon Hall, the person who joined us and gave
the prophecies (they are in his web site), also confirmed the same
thing, that Buddha said he would return in 5,000 years but later on
he cut it to half and said 2,500 years. So actually there are
a lot of groups in the Far East, Maitreya
groups, that are waiting for Maitreya to come.
Some people say, of
course, that Maitreya evolved from Mithra which was a god
from the Zoroastrian Religion who is supposed to be the last Prophet
who will come and destroy the evil. Ahora Mazda, the real God,
will eventually prevail and humanity will have the good life that
they have been promised or the New Jerusalem that the Old
Testament and the New Testament
So I would like to see if
we could reach to the Far East people, bring them to the Mission,
and expand the
Mission to the
Far East also. But right now, of course, we reach to whoever
and what we say makes sense to them.
One of the things that
impressed me when I received the Mission
and this Revelation was that it made sense. It was interesting
that someone was telling me last night that you also felt that it
made sense to you. Actually, I rejected religion when I was
very young because it did not make sense to me, a God sitting up
there very angry all the time and clobbering people on the head,
and you have to follow rigid rituals in your life, otherwise you
will go to hell. I said, “OK, well, I cannot believe that such
a Being sits there and is so far away from everyone and expects
everyone to do these things. If you show God to me, I will
believe in God.” But, of course, no one could show me where
God is and who God is.
They even did not know
that God is everything. If they had told me that, that would
have made a lot of sense to me because God Is everything. OK,
I can relate to that. This is God. Everyone who is
sitting here is a part of God. OK. That is very close,
something that you can touch, and feel, and see, and say, “Yes, it
is.” But they did not so I said, “Just forget it. I am
not going to believe in something that is just in your imagination.”
So I believed in
dialectic materialism, that everything is just by chance and
everything is matter. But now I realize, after receiving all
this Truth that, how can it be by chance? The probability that
it is by chance is even less, than if there is a Being that created
Of course, we know that
God exists now because, according to our teaching, He said He was
going to do these things and He did them. If He did them,
therefore, He exists.
If we leave this room,
and one hour later we come and see that the flowers are not here any
longer, and they are over there, what do we conclude? We
conclude that someone has been in this room, don’t we?
It is the same thing.
If God said, I am going to do these things, and He does them, does
that conclude that God exists? You can see all through our
teachings that God says, I am going to do this, I am going to do
that, and He did them. He promised Abram, He promised Abraham,
and all that. So we can see that God truly exists.
Of course, you also can
experience Him, or can have an experience with Him. That is,
of course, with the Grace, to have a complete close experience.
It is just like when I received the first initiation with Ananda
Marga. I went to my room. I was living in a dormitory.
I came down and was yelling to everyone, “Can’t you see God?”
They were looking at me, “Are you crazy, or something?” They
were watching television in the recreation room in the dormitory.
Everyone is watching this crazy program, and someone comes in and
says, “Can’t you see God?” And they could not see; they could
not respond. And that is the Grace of God. That is the
only way you can feel and see and be with God that close.
Even intellectual people
can relate to our teaching. They can see that He foretold that
He would do these things and He has done them. Therefore, He
does exist. They can intellectually understand this easily.
Intellectuals never had that close experience with Him. Or a
person who would experience that closeness and can utter, “Yes, God
really does exist.” They can realize God is everything.
There is nothing that God is not. There is nowhere that is not
God. He is everything and everywhere.
That is why when they say
the devil exists, I say, “Well, where is the devil? If God is
everything, where does the devil fit in? He cannot be
anything.” The devil is really our delusion of separation from
God. When we are deluded and separated from God, what do we
do? We do things that are not Godly. That is the devil,
isn’t it? The devil is trying to tell us to do actions that
are not Godly, isn’t it? That is what all the religions say:
Christians and Moslems, they call the devil, shatan or satan.
They say that he deceives you. He keeps you away from doing
What deceives us?
It is that umbrella we have over our heads. We separate
ourselves from God and we fall, and then we blame everyone else but
it was our ego. Probably it is not that little, but it is
there [laughter]. So we have to shatter that ego. When
we shatter that ego, what happens? The umbrella is not there
anymore. It is you and God. You are connected directly
Actually, we should have
only two consciousnesses: the conscious mind and the
unconscious mind. We should not have any subconscious mind.
That is the problem. Really that is what ego is, the
subconscious mind that has been created through so many lifetimes,
our fears, desires, attachments, and things that prevent us from
breaking away from all the bondages of life.
Recently I found out about the
organization called Scientology. Scientology has done some
pretty interesting things for a lot of people. Many artists
and actors belong to it. Really, Scientology works with the
subconscious mind. They say, “You have this fear that you have
to get rid of.” So even they, I realized, are a part of our
teaching. They are a small part, as they offer just about the
subconscious mind, which we also teach that you have to get rid of.
What they say is true. But it is not a great revelation. It
is something that everyone should realize, that the subconscious
mind is what makes us to do things that we really do not want to do.
It causes us to stay in situations that we really do not want to be
in, and makes us to go against that great Will or great Calling that
we have heard but we cannot go and act on because of our fears,
attachments, etc. The subconscious mind holds us down and
makes us unhappy, fearful, sad, and all those things that are
related to the ego and subconscious mind. So really, ego and
subconscious mind are the same thing.
Remember how I was talking about the
little creatures in everyone, in some previous Satsangs, that if you
keep them in the Light they will eventually die? It is the
same thing Scientologists teach as well. So it is interesting
that even Scientologists are a part of our teaching.
I would like to see that
the Buddhists and the Far East people will also come and join us,
and of course, everyone else also with them.
Does anyone have any
Maitreya-ji, you were talking about the subconscious mind and
I was wondering about the subconscious mind that is used in relation
to hypnotism. I was just wondering, as far as the Mission
teaches, is there any value in the use of hypnotism?
Yes. Hypnotism brings some awareness to the hidden parts of
your being and has very limited value. But the greatest value
comes when you face your fears, attachments and desires in your
meditation, and eventually keep them in the Light for a long time
until they dissolve and are no longer. But hypnotism just
scratches the surface.
Usually people feel
better when they are hypnotized, and they see some of the parts that
they had not seen before. It is because the brain picks up
many more details than what we remember. That is why
sometimes, when people are hypnotized, they remember many details
about a situation. For example their conscious mind did not
remember a car’s license plate number. But when they were
hypnotized, they remembered exactly what the number was. So
the mind picked it up but memory cannot remember all those details.
We pick up much more
detail and that is why sometimes in sleep we remember greater detail
than when we are awake, because the mind knows what we saw or how
our life is, or because of the law of perception, sometimes we see
things that we would rather not. According to the law of
perception we immediately believe that, “We did not see that.”
That is how the law of perception works. We see it. We
encountered our problems but we ignore them. See that?
That is why meditation sustains this awareness and eventually makes
you come face-to-face with yourself. Many people do not want
this. To them, that is a scary thing to do.
Most people do not want
to face their selves. As I said many times, the person you
really should not lie to is yourself. If you do not lie to
yourself, you do not lie to anyone else. And believe me, 99%
of the people lie to their own selves. If we get to the place
that we would not be able to lie to ourselves, we really are
connected to God directly because there is no subconscious mind
left. There is no separation from the Truth.
The subconscious mind
makes us to do things, to say things, and to believe things, that
are not true. To be completely truthful is not only scary for
a lot of people, but it is scary for the society because if someone
is completely truthful to the society, society is not truthful to
itself. And that is why they kill the Prophets, most of the
This is because they come
and say the truth. For example, the name of Christ never was
Jesus. And they do that, why do they do that? They heal
with the name of Jesus. Isn’t that scary? Someone came,
that for thousands of years they were healing with a name that never
was his name. What are they doing? Under whose name were
they healing all this time? It is scary there, you see?
That is a no, no.
I was just reading Jon’s
e-mail to me, and he said that when he was a kid he told his parents
that he is going to spread the Light of God. Then when he grew
up he became a Moslem. They were very upset with him.
They believed him when he said he was going to spread the Light of
God. They said, “OK, he is going to become a preacher in the
Christian religion.” They believed him, and they said, “That
So he became a Moslem.
They were really upset about the whole thing when he became a
Moslem. Then he told them, “His name never was Jesus.
His name was Esa.” And they completely rejected him.
What was he doing?
He was saying the truth. Why do parents become so upset about
their child when he is saying the truth? Did they teach him to
say the truth when he was growing up? Probably they did.
Now he is telling them the truth. Do they want to hear it?
No, they do not want to hear it.
That is what we all have
to become, we have to become truthful to ourselves, to society, and
to our search for the truth. As I have said many times, if I
say something that does not make sense to you, you should not accept
it. Say, “No. You are saying this that does not make
sense.” OK. Let’s talk about it together and see what
makes sense. I am a seeker of the truth. If your truth
is greater than what came through me, fine, I will accept that
Actually, I said, “Let’s
find if there is someone who has more truth than I do or the Mission
does. We are all going to go follow him or her.” Find
it, and we will do that. Fortunately or unfortunately it has
been twenty years and we have not found anyone who really has
revealed anything even close to what the
has revealed to humanity.
So all of us are really
working on ourselves. That is what I said, “The only person
you can really help is whom? Is yourself.” If you help
yourself and become truthful to yourself, you have the truth.
People might reject you in the beginning but in the long run you
When I started the Mission,
as I have said many times, I was almost finished with my education,
and my parents were waiting for me to get a good job and take care
of them. That is kind of a cultural thing; it is not an option
or a choice. Like here in the United States, you have a choice
to stay with your parents or not, take care of them or not, or put
them away in the nursing home. But in the East, it is an
obligation. It is just required of you to do that.
Then suddenly you realize
that you have to do this
You stay here and you have to tell them, “I am not going to come.”
I told them what I claim, that it is the last revelation that
Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, and all were waiting for. All my
family thought I had flipped and was crazy. They thought that
I was lonely here and in another country, etc., and they thought I
had gone mad. But now they do not think that I am crazy any
longer because they saw that I am not crazy.
It is just like Jon, if
he continues for the truth, eventually his parents will realize that
he is not crazy. And I think he has been called for
something, for greatness, because the things he finds in the
prophecies, they are incredible. They are something that even
we did not know about.
I have never really
searched for what prophecies are fulfilled. Some of them just
came to me, like the Hindus and Buddhists believe that the Messiah
or the teacher is going to come from the West, and the people in
Jerusalem, the Christians and Jews, think He will come from the
East. And where is Tehran? It is in the middle of these
two regions. It is west of India and Tibet, and east of
Jerusalem, Europe and the United States. So these are things
that just came to me and made sense.
Even Ananda Ma eventually
sat down and read many prophecies and put them together as we have
in the web site. But Jon came up with some things that are
just incredible. If you read them and still you do not see it,
then you are blind, absolutely have on blinders.
But still, as I said, if
someone brought something greater and we do not have the Ultimate
Truth, I am for that Ultimate Truth. But as I said, we have
not found any. Anytime we discuss anything, any problems we
have in the world, always we realize that the answer is the
Communities of Light, the Eternal Divine Path. Our
teaching will solve all those problems.
What is humanity looking
for? They are looking for solutions. Do we have a
problem in this world right now? One, two, three, four, ten,
hundreds, many, many problems. Amazingly all of them can be
resolved and solved with the Communities of Light, with the
Eternal Divine Path. So again we have been called for
something that is incredible.
I did not expect to
receive this Revelation. I came here to just finish my
education and go back home. But It came. It is here.
It is with all of us and I am very glad every time I see someone new
come and join us that someone else also has seen the vision. I
am always thrilled. I am hoping one day thousands and millions
of people come and join, and the Communities of Light pop up
all over the world just like mushrooms.
After it rains, have you
seen how the mushrooms pop up all over the place? Just like
that, the Communities of Light will pop up all over the
is like a very heavy tank. It is very hard to start it moving
but when it starts moving, it is very hard to stop. It is
going to roll over a lot of obstacles. So these are some basic
things that probably you have heard many times as I repeat them.
This afternoon someone
was asking what is the meaning of Grace. It is true that you
really have to experience it to know what it is. But I have
written a small meaning for it and Sarah-ji is going to read it for
Grace is a feeling of completeness, joy, and thankfulness. He
who follows the first Law, thanksgiving, will experience Grace.
It is a feeling of being complete. And how you can feel
complete is when you are one with God. Not being one with God
is the reason you feel incomplete. That is why humanity falls
because they feel incomplete and not connected to God, therefore,
they replace that thirst for limitlessness (God) with possessions, a
partner, a job, ambition, and everything else.
They do everything to not
feel that emptiness. And that emptiness, of course, cannot be
filled with things in this material world. They obtain a good
job and they receive a promotion. They are happy for a couple
of weeks or a month or six months. Then what? They want
a better job. They again obtain a higher position, even if
they become the President of the United States, the most powerful
place, and still they are not happy. We know what happened to
Mr. Clinton, the President of the United States. He was not
One (happy) and fell for Monica…
If he were happy, would
he have done something like that, that made him fall? Probably
not. He was the head of the United States, the most powerful
nation in the world and I do not think there is any job in the world
more powerful than being the President of the United States.
Is there? Probably not. So what happened? That
shows there was an unhappiness there or that he was seeking to fill
up that emptiness that was in him. So we can see that even the
highest position on earth does not fill that emptiness.
So what fills you up?
That Grace, that completeness, that feeling of, “Thank you God,”
that is what really humanity needs. “That is it. I do
not need anything. I do not want anything. I am
complete. I do not want a partner. I do not want money.
I do not want possessions. I want to feel that completeness.”
And that is what Grace is.
Of course, you cannot
say, “I am in Grace, but do not follow the Law.” If you are
coveting your neighbor’s possessions, if you are doing adultery, if
you are…, you cannot say, “I am in Grace. I have the
Grace but I am not going to follow the Law.” It is just like
some people say that, “Christ died for us, therefore, we are in
Grace. We do not have to follow the Laws (Ten Commandments,
Daharma), we can do whatever we want.” That is not correct.
If you are in Grace, you will follow the Law. It is impossible
for you not to follow the Law because the moment you do not follow
the Law, what happens to the Grace? The Grace is taken away
So that is an absolute
lie that you say, “I am in Grace but I am not going to follow the
Law,” because the moment you are in Grace, you are following the
Law. But if you follow the Law without the Grace, you become
legalistic and very dry. You have to wake up in the morning
and do The Reminder. “But I really do not want to do
The Reminder, but I have to because Maitreya
said to and if I do not I will go to hell” [laughing]. Well, I
am sorry, but you are already in hell [laughter].
Where are heaven and
hell? Right here and now. You are not going to die and
go to a place called, here is hell, and here is heaven. “We
put you here in the fire and you are going to burn for eternity, and
if you go to heaven you are going to have all the things you want.”
Heaven and hell are right here and now. Either you are in
heaven, or you are in hell. Do not look for heaven or hell
after you die.
The only thing that
happens when you die is that if you have been a good person, if you
have meditated, if you have really tried very hard, the death is a
very simple thing. It is just a transition. But if you
have not, you hang onto life. You do not want to go. You
fight, you kick, and usually you have a hard time to die.
It is just like that
Native American, one morning he wakes up and says, “This is a good
day to die.” And he goes and just puts his bed at the top of
the tree and lies down and in the afternoon he is gone. No
problem. Actually, if you are a good yogi, you know when you
are going to die six months before, as the prana is not going to
come to the body anymore. It is going to leave the body.
So, we have a great
here and we have a wonderful work to fulfill, to create the Kingdom
Of Heaven On Earth. Humanity is on the brink of the evolution,
in the next step of being great beings.
And I am going to be with
you for 50,000 years. Can you believe that [laughter]?
Actually after I leave this body there is going to be a group in the Mission
that is going to look for me after I am reincarnated. For a
while I decided not to come back, that this would be my last
lifetime. I just said that I had enough of this world, and I
do not want to come back anymore. But then I saw that this Mission
probably needs much longer than one lifetime to get it going.
So we are going to have a committee that is going to look for me
after I am dead. It will be just like the Tibetan Buddhists
who look for the Dalai Lama.
Can Lyra be part of the committee [laughter]?
Lyra is our cat.
She will find you [laughter].
Actually, before her we had this cat called Tonka. Tonka means
“God” in a Native American language. He contracted feline
leukemia and died. I told Isaac, we are going to wait eight
weeks. After that we are going to go look for him. We
really did not look too hard. We went to the pound, and there
were many cats. She was alone by herself in one cage. I
put my finger in the door and pushed her a little. She became
so angry, and she tried to attack my finger. I said, Isaac,
this is him [laughter].
Tonka was the same way.
You would not push him around. He would fight with you, fight
back. And then we got her and brought her home. I do not
think she realized that she died because she does exactly the same
things that Tonka used to do. Exactly. And that
absolutely confirms reincarnation, even in the animals.
As I have said many
times, “How can God give us only one chance? How can God just
give us one lifetime and say, ‘OK, this is it. Either you make
it or you go to hell.’” What kind of God is that, sadistic?
But if He gives us many chances and puts us in many different
situations, and at the end of this cycle of the universe we did not
make it, does He have a valid reason for not letting us go to Pure
Consciousness and saying, “You stay out until the next creation?”
That is much more compassionate and much more true.
So reincarnation is
correct and if that is true, then I will be back with you. But
you have to find me.
Can we have a clue before you go [greater laughter]?
Yeah, that is a good question. I do not know, what can the
Show the baby The Greatest Sign and see what the baby does.
That is the thing: the First Seal, the Second Seal, the Third
Seal, the Fourth Seal, etc. That is a good question, what
clues can you look for? Those who know me, how would you know
that is me?
You will be the one hugging the THOTH.
The one who is one-pointed.
OK, that is good.
The Buddhists set out items that they previously owned and then they
take from those items. So we have to put all of your stuff
The problem is that I do not have much stuff [laughter]. I
give my stuff away. I gave them to someone else. What am
I attached to?
The Greatest Sign, God.
You are going to come preaching The Greatest Sign again.
So probably you will recognize me after I come back. That was
the problem. For a long time I was considering, what happens
after I leave? Because I have seen many organizations fall
apart. They choose a wrong leader or they destroy, like the
Baha’is, whatever they were told to do. For example, the
Baha’is were supposed to have a guardian and all of that. We
are going to talk about that tomorrow.
It is a great thing.
Even Islam split because of the successor or something like that.
Won’t you emerge as a leader? Wouldn’t we know by that?
Because that is what you teach.
That sounds very good. Of course, that is going to take a long
time, until I am probably 25, 26, 30 years old.
Well, it is hard for a person to emerge when he is 13. They
are still a teenager and crazy, and their hormones are going a
couple of hundred miles ahead of their brains. So it is very
hard to do that. It is a good thing to think about. I am
open to suggestions. Maybe it is not a good idea. Maybe
we should do something else.
If you think it is not a
good idea, just like a business meeting, we can discuss it.
What is the best way to do this? [silence]
Emma, Jon was worried
about you. He was asking how you are doing. Do you want
to tell him?
Emma (through the
Yes. Hi Jon. I received your e-mail and I replied and
thank you so much for being so concerned. Everything is going
OK. We are just taking one day at a time, a lot of meditation
and prayers. And thank you for the wonderful e-mail, OK?
Jon (through the
OK. That is good to hear that things are going OK.
Sal-OM Jon, how are you? Is everything OK with you too?
Jon (through Internet):
Yes, everything is going great here. I am just all by myself
Well, I hope it does not take too long that you find a lot of people
who want to join you and come and stay in our Satsangs, and maybe
even create a Community of Light there where you are.
Young people, especially
in the universities, are very receptive to a new teaching, and
their minds are not made up. They are not in a family or in an
environment that keeps them from being open to a new truth, and in
the university they teach them to be open-minded. They are
much more open-minded, unless they are already brainwashed to a
specific religion or a specific way of thinking. Then probably
it is even more difficult for them to see the truth. Of
course, I myself started meditating and knowing about different
religions in the university when I came here to the United States.
As I said, I did not
accept God in Islam because their God was very far away and I just
could not relate to something up there that I cannot even touch or
even know Him. And so it was a very, very unreachable God.
But when I heard that God is everything… The first time I
heard that God is everything, it made so much sense to me that,
“Yes, I can see that, I can relate to that.” But something up
there, sitting up there, sitting on a throne, I could not believe, I
could not relate to. Of course, now there is no doubt.
Ninety-nine percent of
humanity does not believe that God exists. It is not something
that you have to believe but to really know that truly God exists.
And He is incredible.
I told you about my vision when I was in the World Unity Forum, at
the first meeting in the World Unity Forum in Colorado Springs.
I did not stay in the hotel they had reserved for me. I stayed
in a small hotel around a mile away from it. Sarah-ji was with
me and she stayed with other ladies in the main hotel. She
picked me up and had the car. So I was in a hotel in the
middle of Colorado Springs and I had that vision that God really
knows everything. Even He knows what the smallest fish in the
ocean does. The smallest fish! No one cares about that
fish, living somewhere in the coral reef by himself. God knows
that fish and what he is doing. If He knows the fish that is
such an insignificant thing, He knows about all of us very well,
what we do, where we go, what we eat, and what we think.
That story is true that I
told you many times, about the spiritual teacher and his five
disciples. One day he gave each of them a hen or a rooster.
He told them to go and kill it where no one can see you.
One of them went to the back of the
house and killed the bird. He came and said, “Here it is.
No one saw me, and I killed him.” Another one went very deep
inside the jungle and killed him. And four of them killed the
One of them spent the
whole day looking for a place to kill the bird. He went all
over and at the end he brought the chicken unkilled. The
teacher said, “What happened?” He said, “I could not find any
place where God was not there and looking at me. I could not
do it. He was always present.” The teacher said, “OK,
you are the person who realizes that God is everything and
So it is something that
we really have to believe that God truly exists and is with us all
the time, even in those times of desperation when we think no one
cares and no one is really with us. Know that that is not
true. God cares and He is with us.
It is not something that
I am trying to make you feel good. It is the truth [laughter].
Not that, Oh, he is trying to make us feel good about life
[laughter]. No, it is the truth.
Does anyone in Internet
have any questions or anything you want to talk about?
How did you get to go to
My mother had a debilitating disease and we knew she only had a
short time to live. She had a certain amount of money she had
set aside for her children that she wanted to give them. So I
decided that that was something that I always wanted to do.
And it was a gift from her because it is pretty expensive. But
I have always done a lot of back-packing and a lot of going up into
the mountains. Those are the biggest and best mountains
around. Also I think it was something to do with just seeing,
after being in the environment here in the United States, I wanted
to go somewhere completely different and also not just the physical
part but the idea of it being Buddhist and Hindu and just seeing a
whole different culture, just for that experience.
Maitreya: Did you have any attraction to Buddhism and
Guest: Not really. I had read some Zen Buddhism.
In fact I was at a Christian retreat when a Zen Buddhist person told
me to read certain Zen Buddhist Scriptures. And so I always
was interested but again the common sense thing. I kept
looking until I found your Truth.
It was a matter of there
was truth and there were things I liked but I could not stop there.
And so I kept going. So that was part of that journey.
Seeing that over there is part of that idea of seeing bits and
pieces of the truth. And that idea too, that I wanted to be
around people who had a completely different upbringing and a
completely different background. And so it was very good for
Maitreya: So you went to the Himalayas. Did you
have plans to see this person, this Lama or teacher?
No. I had read various materials before I went. I went
to an area called the Crystal Mountain Monastery. Very remote,
it is about a 150 mile walk from where we flew in. We took a
bus to the end of the end of the road and walked 150 miles up into
Wow, that is a lot of walking.
There is a Shey Gomba there which is kind of famous. There is
a book called Snow Leopard and it is in that setting.
It is a very remote setting. And they said that at times the
Lamas and the Monks were there depending on the pilgrimages or
depending on their scheduling. You did not always have access
depending on what they were doing. I had read in the National
Geographic Magazine that if you gave them a gift, maybe something to
Yes, entice them to come to talk to you or maybe something that
would set you apart from the regular throngs of people. And
that was at a time when I had read a lot of things off of the
Internet believing in these teachings, and something inside of me
just said, “Well, this would be a good idea.” I do not know if
it was just an instinct that said take
The Greatest Sign and maybe I would give that to
somebody, or that I was meant to deliver it over there to start
something or not, I do not know.
Did you tell them where you got it?
It turned out that we were late in the season, close to the snows,
and when it snows there, it is over. You would have to spend
the rest of the winter there to get out, because we had to go
through waist deep snow over 17,000 feet to get out then.
And it was summer?
Well, it was at the very end of fall. It was in October.
So most of the time the monks either were hiding, because they often
go meditate for years and years, or…
They meditate too much [laughter].
And there was also too big a language difference there because most
of the people I was with spoke Nepali and very little Tibetan.
And this region, even though it was Nepal, is more Tibetan in its
influences and so it was very sketchy.
Do you speak Tibetan?
No. I did not speak either one. I spoke English and the
guides I was with spoke English, Nepali, and a little bit of
Tibetan. And in fact, one of the monasteries that we went to
was pre-Buddhist, I think, Bon Po, that was even farther back than
The Buddhists have so many branches and so many things, it is
Yes. Most of the time in the temples or in the monasteries,
they had pictures of the Dalai Lama. So I believe most of them
were followers of the Dalai Lama.
But most of the places
were very old. I was told that one of them was well over 1,000
years old. And so I tried to connect with them, but there was
not much chance. I was hoping for some conversation with a
couple of the Lamas but it was too difficult. I did give one
of them the Sign and just said it was from Maitreya
and it was a mandala because I knew he would probably know that
word. And he held it up to his forehead and accepted it and
then put it on the altar.
Yes. It is amazing that The Greatest Sign is everywhere
and is now on an altar in Tibet in a place that is hard to reach.
I was actually very thrilled when I heard about that, that The
Greatest Sign has been taken to such a place. I am hoping
eventually that the Tibetans and other people see the teaching and
say, “Yes, that is what the prophecy was and it is fulfilled.”
And one thing I think that was very easy for them to recognize, was
the Swastika in the middle because it was carved in doorways, and it
was all inside the monasteries and places that were thousands of
years old. One of them, they said, was over 1,500 years old.
Have you seen the book we just put over the Internet? It is
all about the Swastika. And it was published in 1896. It
was before WWII and Hitler. It means good luck.
Yes. They use it quite a bit over there. They had it
painted on rocks. I saw it the whole time.
It absolutely does not mean what Hitler used it for.
I even saw it on a package of noodles [laughter].
It was a good luck noodle, huh? [laughter] That is fantastic.
Just now we have to convince the West, that it is OK. It is
not a bad sign.
Actually I was against it
the first time I saw it in Ananda Marga. I said, “Are you
Nazis?” I was taken aback that they were using it. And
then, little-by-little, they told me that it is not a bad sign.
It is a very good sign. A lot of religions follow it.
That is great. Have
you any more to tell us about yourself that will get us to know you
better and know what you are basically doing? Now that you
found this Truth, what do you think you are going to do with it?
Or, you are not going to do anything with it? You have that
I think I have already… In fact I have visited a Mosque in
Ohio with my sister. She is a Methodist Christian and there
are a lot of Moslems moving into her neighborhood. And so they
had some programs so they each could get to know each other. I
went there and I talked to someone who had just returned from Hajj,
Yes, to Mecca and when he was explaining his feelings there, it was
very much of a universalist feeling. So when he asked me what
I believed in, I started talking about the Mission.
And he was very interested. I think that that felt good that I
was helping someone to the Truth.
That is great.
So I think that is what I see as far as what I would like to do, the
You would like to reach to the people and help them.
Yes. Because already with my friends, even though some of them
think that I flipped, but I mean…
We know the feeling, don’t we [laughter]?
But when I am in the conversations, it is not too often that you can
have those kinds of conversations, but when I have them, I feel that
it is good.
Those are the best.
Even if I am not -- I have learned that lesson of submission of that
idea that even if I am putting out the Truth and they are not
believing it, that I am putting it out there.
Very good. That is a part of the Eternal Divine Path.
You are not attached to the result. You are just a channel to
give the Truth. And to whoever you give the Eternal Divine
Path, and explain the Mission
to them, you are done with them. You have no responsibility
whatsoever. If they came to you and wanted more then, of
course, you have more responsibility to guide them to the greater
manifestation of what they believe.
That is great. That
is very good.
Well, I am waiting for
144,000 dedicated people, people who really come here, see the Truth
and say, “This makes sense. Whatever I had so far did not make
sense. It just stopped short of completion.” That is why
in The Revelation it says that until the seventh angel comes,
everything is a mystery.
That is great, do you
have any questions at all from all your reading of THOTH
and the teaching, anything that bothered you or you would like to
discuss it or bring it up here?
I was thinking, when you were talking about the seventh angel
having the whole truth, that not even Esa or Muhammad or Bab had
that. And I was wondering how that relationship works, if the
First Begotten Son was revealing these seals and these teachings
that they did not have the whole truth? They only revealed
their stage, but where they also would be considered as completing
the Eternal Path before creation and then doesn’t he have to
go through that Path again as far as the reason why he is not
revealing, it is revealed in stages?
Very good question. Of course, according to our teaching the
First Begotten Son went through the Eternal Divine Path even
before creation. If you read the Old Testament, God
chose Isaac and Ishmael, two children of Abraham, to bring two
revelations to humanity. So from the children of Israel, or
Isaac, eventually came the Messiah or Christ, as Esa or as known in
the West as Jesus. Christ said there was going to be another
Comforter who would come after him. He did not say, “I have
all the truth.” He said, “Another one is going to come.
I have not completed it.”
So the Old Testament
was foretelling the Messiah to come. The Messiah came and
said, “I don’t have all the truth. Someone else is going to
come after me.” Prophet Muhammed came, and he said in the
Koran, “I only revealed a portion of the Eternal Truth.”
So if he revealed only a portion of the Eternal Truth, what happened
to the rest? Because the Scriptures are telling us that when
the seventh angel comes, the mystery of God will be finished.
It means, when the last revelation comes there is no mystery left,
and the whole Eternal Truth is going to be given to humanity.
So if Prophet Muhammed
said, “I am not revealing the whole truth,” therefore, there is
still something there and he had not given the whole thing. It
came to Bab. Bab came and said, “After me another person will
come who is going to be He Who Will Be Manifested.” So Bab
said, “I do not have the whole thing either, someone else is coming
Then Baha’u’llah came.
Of course, the Baha’is say he was the one Who Will Be Manifested.
However, as Jon showed very clearly in his writings and in his
lecture, there is evidence that Baha’u’llah was not the last one.
Actually Baha’u’llah destroyed a lot of his writings. He gave
them to some of his people to throw into the river to be destroyed.
And one person who was told to do this did not want to do it because
he thought they were so wonderful that they should be kept.
But Baha’u’llah said, “No, humanity is not ready.” So he did
not have it either. He did not keep every revelation that he
But we claim that we did
not hold anything back. All of the Seven Seals are opened.
That is why it makes so much sense to the people who eventually see
this Truth. It is so complete.
If it were incomplete, I
would not accept it because I was looking for the truth. Why
didn’t I accept Islam? Why didn’t I become a good Moslem?
There was something not completely right. It was something
that it could not hit me completely.
It is like the situation
between the Sufis and the fundamental Moslems. Sufis are
teaching to love God with all your heart, mind and spirit. And
they are in that spiritual level. The fundamentalists say,
“No, you do this and you do the prayer, and that is it. If you
do not, you go to hell.” Hum, why? If they are both
preaching Islam, why is there so much enmity between them?
In our teaching that does
not exist because we believe in the Mystical Paths. The
Mystical Paths is the essence, the spirit, of our teaching,
meditation and loving God with all your heart and spirit and Know
Thyself. Sufism, Hinduism, and Buddhism, say what? They
say, “Know thyself to know God, or be still and know that I am God.”
This is a part of our teaching. Therefore, the Sufis are
welcome. We have no enmity with them. We do not have any
enmity with the Buddhists. With the Hindus or the saints in
Christianity, we understand them because they had a direct
experience with God. Therefore there is no problem there.
So we can see that the
Mystical Paths, the Old Testament, the New Testament,
the Koran, the Baha’i teaching, the Upanishads, and
all the teachings of Hinduism and Buddhism, are covered.
Everything on earth is included, is a part of us. How can you
add anything that already covers everything on earth? It is
complete. It is perfect.
As I said, I tried to
find fault with our teaching many times and I could not find it.
It is just amazing how perfect it is, how perfect each part falls to
the others. When people ask questions and I explain it to
them, I usually ask, “Does it make sense?” I have never heard
someone tell me, “No, what you said does not make sense.” They
always say, “Yes, it makes sense.” That is what this teaching
is all about. It just makes sense.
It covers the Mystical
Paths. It explains the Old Testament clearly, why God
chose a people as Hebrews and wanted them to accept Him as King and
divided them into twelve tribes. What is a tribe? It is
a community. What kind of community was it? It was a
community that had the Spirit of God with them. They accepted
God as the Spirit of the community. That is, the triangle
upward is the hierarchy and the triangle downward is the Spirit of
God in that hierarchy. So put God out and what happens?
You do not have the
Communities of Light. You might have a community but
you do not have the Communities of Light.
Communities of Light have the triangle downward also. It
is included, both of them.
Does it make sense?
[Guest nodded his head] You see, you are saying it makes
sense, you see [laughing]? Tell me it does not make sense,
great, and we can discuss it and find a fault in it. But it
amazingly makes sense.
Also the prophecies are
fulfilled. The Seven Seals are opened. It makes sense.
Everything says, “That is it.” If someone can prove to me that
it is not it, I am the first person who is going to drop the Mission and go somewhere else,
believe me. Say, OK it does not make sense, it is not what I
believe and claim, and let’s all of us go somewhere and find
something else that makes sense.
It just makes sense.
So it is something that
we have to give to humanity. We have to make them realize that
it makes sense. And love them. Love all of humanity.
We are the lover of all worlds, of all of humanity. We do not
separate them. We do not bring destruction to them. We
And that is what they
need. They need that acceptance that they are accepted as they
are. And love them as they are. Then they will feel the
Grace, they will feel the love, and they will feel that they are not
judged. Some people have a lot of fear. They are living
in an environment that is not conducive to their spirit, to that
For example, my sister
was here with us for a week and she was thrilled with everyone here,
so much love and openness and the teaching and everything. She
told me, “Come and visit us.” I said, “OK. I will come
and visit you.” Then she said, “But do not tell them that you
claim you are a Prophet [laughing].” “Why?” “Because
they would probably kill you as they did Bab and all that.” So
there is so much fear.
She really wanted this.
You could just feel that she really wanted it. But she is
afraid. That fear they have put in their hearts, that should
be healed. That should be taken away. No human should
feel like that, but they should be free.
Even in this country, you
should not let them take this freedom away from you. It is
wonderful to have that freedom. It is a gift that God has
given to you. Everywhere, even in another country, it has to
be based on the people.
Actually our teaching
brings the truth about the system from the people, by the people,
and for the people. If you read about our system that is going
to emerge, it is the only system that is going to emerge really from
the people because it is based on the Communities of Light.
And who are the Communities of Light? People are the
Communities of Light.
Of course, a lot of
people believe in their dogmas. We have a hard time to
convince them. But with all the prophecies that are fulfilled
through the Mission,
as I say, if someone reads those things and still does not believe,
there is absolutely something wrong with them, because that is
exactly what God said He was going to do and that is exactly what
I do not have a big ego
and say, “Oh, I am the Messiah. Everyone should fall in front
of me.” Actually, my very existence is a proof of God’s
existence. That is the most important thing, that God really
exists. He said that He was going to do that and He did it.
This body is going to die
and go. Maybe you cannot find me after I am gone. Maybe
I will not come back. Who knows, maybe this is my last
lifetime. Well, probably not. I do not think I can stay
there too long. I have to come back to continue this
to get done. But the most important thing is that this body is
going to leave.
What gives out this
beautiful truth? It is the Spirit behind this body. What
is that Spirit? God Himself. And that is the very
concept of Messiah. Messiah is not about the body; it is the
Spirit of God manifesting Itself to earth. And that Spirit is
something that you have to hang onto, not to this body. It is
not to make a statue and pictures and all that, and worship them and
get caught in them and never go to God. But it is the Spirit
behind it, those truths, the Message. It is not the Messenger.
The Messenger is just a channel. The Message is the most
So that is why we are
here. That is why we have been called here to realize this.
You did not realize what you got yourselves into when you started
[laughing], did you? But you now have to realize just what you
got yourself into.
To me it is wonderful.
But it needs a true deep meditation that, “We are here, now what?”
It is the culmination of all the prophecies and revelations of God.
We have created great religions with a portion of the Eternal Truth,
now what are we going to do with the whole Eternal Truth?
This is now the culmination of
everything that humanity did so far. Now I am here, “Why am I
here?” You have to recognize that call, why you are here and
then respond to it according to your abilities. Of course, I
am here. I talk to you. If you have an ability, and you
want to utilize it, we can sit and talk about it, how we can utilize
But you do not have to
destroy your relationship with your family or with your background
or anything like that. Actually, we would love for all of us
to have connections to our families. They are our bridge to
the world. Of course, ultimately there is a point that if they
are in our way to go to God and do His Work, we have to say, “Sorry,
I love you but I have to go somewhere else. I have to do His
It is just like what I
did. As I said, my parents were waiting for me to go back and
get a job and take care of them. What did I tell them? “I love
you but I am sorry, I have to do this
This is more important.”
Were they taken care of?
Yes, they were. My sister did not know why she was forced to
take care of my parents after I had decided to stay here and do the Mission.
I told her that I was very concerned because I was the only person
they were really waiting for to take care of them. Then
something happened that my sister had no choice but to take care of
them. She was joking, “That was your fault then that I was put
in that situation.” But actually, she loved being with them
and caring for them, and she did a good job.
They will be taken care
of. But we have to prove to them that we are not crazy, we are
logical, and that the teaching makes sense, and help them as much as
You were speaking of family. I just wanted to share that my
mother said that she hopes we have a good feast.
Very good. Very good. Give our love to her too.
Hopefully she is going to come and join us one of these days.
That is what we would
like, to have all the families come and join us. We want
families. We want people who have strong families. But,
of course, there are a lot of beliefs that they have been brought up
with and sometimes it is going to be hard to do that.
[silence] Then I wish you all a good night’s sleep and I will
see everyone at the lecture tomorrow morning at 9:30AM.