Good morning everyone. Welcome to the Mission of Maitreya
Satsang. It is good to have all of you here with us.
May our numbers grow very, very large,
huge, big [laughter], the whole earth, the whole universe…while we
are at it, why not? The whole universe comes together with us.
The greater the number, the more energy and power there is to do
God’s Work. Right now our numbers are not huge, but many things
are happening and a lot of things are done. A lot of projects
are going on.
As usual the question is,
is there any new person in the audience that we should explain
The Greatest Sign to? They have the priority in these
Satsangs, because these Satsangs are taking place to spread the Message
to humanity. If there is any new person, let us know.
Speak up, so we can explain The Greatest Sign first before we
start with the other questions and other things that we are doing
There are members here today who have
not been with us for some time. It is good to have you with
us, and I hope you enjoy the Satsang today. This is the place
to be because this is the full manifestation of God’s Revelation.
Many things have been proven that what we have here is for the whole
of humanity, and the whole of humanity should come and learn about
this Revelation. So being here is a great blessing, and this
Revelation is a great Blessing to all of us.
We will then go to the
questions that have been sent to the Mission.
In Universe And Man, Tablet One, verses 18 and 19, it says
that outgoing prana becomes heedless desire, and ingoing prana
becomes will. How can we keep the prana moving inward, and
prevent it from going outward?
Yes, that is a part of the book Universe And Man in
That is probably the hardest book to fathom and understand. It
has a lot of information and beautiful explanations in it. If
you understand them, you really understand the whole universe and
how it works, how God has created it, how different levels of
consciousnesses are in the universe, where God is, where the
unconscious mind is, etc.
Prana is really the
energy, the raja guna, in the universe. The universe has seven
levels or worlds. The first level is the manifested world,
the crudest part of the universe. It is just like tama guna.
The first level is tama, is manifested, is the universe, and is the
crudest part of the world.
The second level, after
tama, is raja. Raja is energy, which creates the second level
of the universe, which is the pranic state. Or, prana is the
energy that brings the life-force to the universe.
The third level is the mental, or the satvic energy, which is the
decision-making process of the universe.
It is just like, the tama is the Chitta,
which forms what we see. We see the microphone. The
Chitta, or crudest part, forms the picture of the microphone. But it does not
know anything about what it is. So raja guna is energy.
It takes the message, “microphone,” and sends it to the satva.
Satva recognizes it and says, “Microphone.”
The only thing the Chitta, or the
crudest part of the mind does, is to keep the form from the external
world. If there were no raja or prana, there would not be any
movement, and there would not be any energy in the universe.
The movement or the electricity (electricity is kind of a raja
energy), takes it and puts it to the intelligent part of the brain,
and the intelligent part of the brain says, “It is a microphone.
Now, what are we going to do with it?”
So the decision comes.
If you give it to a two, three, or four-month old child, he puts it
in his mouth. If you give it to an older child who does not know what
it is, he might break it. But if you give it to a singer,
he says, “Oh, I am going to sing in it.” So depending upon
your intelligence and your consciousness, you use that instrument
according to where your consciousness is.
It is the same thing in
life. We go into the world. It is external to us.
We see things. Chitta takes the form. Raja sends it to
the intelligence, and the intelligence says, “What are we going to
do with it?”
If you are in a lower consciousness,
you will make the decision based on the lower consciousness.
If a beggar sees you he says, “Oh, how can I get more money out of
this person?” If a thief sees you, he says, “I will pick the
pocket of this person.” But if a Godly person sees you, he
says, “How can I help this person to connect to God?” So it
depends upon your consciousness. That is how the decisions
will be made.
We can see that the tama guna creates
the external world, or the manifested world, or our bodies.
Raja guna becomes prana. Now with the tama guna, we see the
external world. With raja guna, energy, we feel, “How are we
going to use this energy? Are we going to externalize it, and
chase our desires, wants, and worldly things?” Then it becomes
what? The very energy that can be directed internally and used
to guide us to the higher things starts guiding us outwardly.
The more energy we let
out, outwardly, and direct to the world, the more this energy
becomes desires, temptations, our wants, and we want to fulfill our
sensual desires. That makes us go more and more to Maya.
After awhile our energy becomes completely concentrated on what is
in the external out there that we can accomplish or have.
The second level in the world is the
pranic world, which is energy. It depends on how you use it,
according to your consciousness. And the third one is the
lower mental world. We use that to accomplish what is needed
in the external world or manifested world. If we are becoming
very good at it, if we are absolutely tamasic, what are we going to
do? The only thing we really desire is the fulfillment of our
physiological and safety needs. That is the only thing.
It is just like, what was
the first thing Christ was tempted with? It was to, “Make this
stone bread.” That is the first desire of man, “Where is my
next bread, next food, and next shelter going to come from?”
The next temptation was
to tempt God. It means that you doubt the power of God.
Actually, some people say that God does not even exist, because they
are so worldly that they really do not want to know that God exists.
So the temptation comes, which is the second level, which is pranic,
which is energy.
temptation. So your whole mind and energy is going to go
toward the heedless fulfillment of your desires. Your energy
is going outwardly to the world. But you do not have much
intelligence of how to manage the desires. You want them but
you do not know how to get them.
The third level is the
lower mental world. You use that energy toward the external
world but you become wiser and wiser about how to fulfill those
desires. You become a successful person in the external world,
and your desires are fulfilled because your lower mental world has
developed in such a way that you can use the energy to accomplish
things that the external world offers. You become a successful
person: You become a lawyer, you become a doctor, you become a
politician, etc. You know how to make more money and fulfill
your desires. But still you are going externally.
If you go a little
higher, by going to the higher mental world, which directs your
energy now from your third chakra to the higher chakras, to the
fourth chakra, to the fifth chakra, and to the sixth chakra, with
the higher energy, you start using your intelligence in
understanding, “Why am I here? Where am I going? What is
this life about? Why was I created? Is it that I only
eat, drink, sleep, make children, and die? Is that the goal of
my life? Is that all this universe is created for, and I have
been here for only this reason?”
That is when your higher
mental level starts questioning the reasons for your life.
This is when you withdraw from the external world and you go toward
the internal world. So your energy no longer is heedlessly
going toward the outwardly things but toward the greater inside
questions and inside Calling that is urging you for something
greater than just mundane life.
That is when your energy
starts being directed from the external world to the internal world,
and heedless desires become wisdom. You become a seeker.
You start going more away from Maya. You look for something
greater than heedless desires and the external world. So you
start using the higher mental world. And because of that, you
become attracted to knowing the reason for life and being here.
Eventually you say, “Well, there could be some Creator somewhere
that has created me and put me here for a reason.”
You start asking, “Do I
have a reason to be here?” Of course, everyone asks this
question at least once in his life. But when your energy is
going out, you ask it very little, maybe a couple of times in your
life, or a very few times. Even when you ask it, you do not
really want to know the answer because the answer might interfere
with your desires for the external world.
We can see that it says,
“Many will be called but few will be chosen.” Why few?
It is because most of the other ones are directing their energy
outwardly. They want the world. They want their desires
to be fulfilled. They have some wants and some reasons that
the external world becomes very important to them.
So when you go to the
higher mental world, you start going more inside and probably become
more meditative. You start meditating and awakening your
spiritual forces to the higher chakras. The first time you
reach the fourth chakra, you experience the unconditional love and
beauty of not being attached, being yourself, and finding your own
self as being so beautiful as it is.
Then you go to the higher
level, the fifth level, which is beyond this world. You gain a
lot of knowledge of how the creation works and how the universe is
working so beautifully. You find something even more beautiful
than what the external world offers you.
So the luster of the
external world just vanishes away. Actually you do not want it
as much any more because it does not have any attraction for you.
That is because you found something more beautiful.
It is just like Christ
said, “The kingdom is like a jewel.” When you find the
property that that jewel is buried in, what do you do? You
sell all your other wealth to buy that property, because you know
that jewel is buried in that land. That is exactly what
happens if you really hit the higher mental world and then go beyond
the higher mental world to the absolute to the fifth level of
creation, or your being reaches beyond the sheaths, which
separate you from the rest of the universe.
So when you reach there,
you are still under the influence of the external world. The
three gunas are still dominating you.
You go to the higher
level. In the sixth level, you are absolutely in control of
the three gunas and the world, and they are not going to affect you
any more at all. That is when you experience being touched by
God. You actually become one with God. You can feel His
Presence and the Oneness with Him. But, you are still in the
body. At the seventh level, you reach liberation or Oneness
completely with God.
If there were no energy
in the universe, would there be any movement? No. What
is our will? Our will is how to use the energy that God has
given to us, isn’t it? Or is it, “My will is to have a very
nice house. What do I do now, because that is my will?”
Will really is the way we use to fulfill our desires.
You use your will to
fulfill your desires. If my will is to have a beautiful house,
then I will use my energy toward that goal, for what I want.
“What is my will? Is it something external? Yes, it is
something external. I want something out there that I am going
to put my will and energy into.”
Are you thinking about
God when you are putting your effort into working hard, making
money, and putting it away, going for the mortgage, and getting all
that? No. You are always thinking about that desire out
If my goal is to have the
most beautiful family, what am I going to do? I have to secure
a job, work hard to buy a place to live, and spend my time and
energy to have a beautiful family. Sometimes at the end it
does not work because the family falls apart.
Now if I put my energy
toward God and the creation of the Communities of Light, if I
bring like-minded people together and we are able to share with each
other, can we have a beautiful house? It is much easier, isn’t
it? There are more resources coming in from many people
together, and I can easily have a beautiful house without spending
the rest of my life just having a beautiful house.
It is the same thing for
having a family. If the family is living in a unit of a
Community of Light
and the family is supported by the community – it is not only one couple but there are six couples or even more – the whole
Community of Light
is supporting each family. Will those families stay together
easier, and will they become more very good families, or is it
easier if two people try to make a good family in the ocean of Maya?
So we can see again it
depends on where your consciousness is and where your energy is
going. If your energy is just for yourself and thinking about
yourself and worldly things, and that is what you want, that is
going to become heedless desires, temptation, and work. Then probably you
are never going to fulfill what your desires are.
The problem with desires
is that when you fulfill one, what happens? It is going to be
replaced with another one because you are going outwardly.
Your energy is going outwardly.
If one of them is
fulfilled, are you going to be satisfied? No. You will
not. Your energy is going that way, therefore, it will be
replaced with another one, with another one, with another one, and
it is going to be a heedless, unending quest for fulfilling
something that is called Maya, illusion. It is not going to
Also what happens?
Desires are directed to sensual wants, sensual gratification.
Does sensual gratification ever satisfy anyone? Have you ever
heard anyone say, “I have had enough of sensual desires, I
really am fulfilled, I am done with them?” No, you will not.
And it becomes worse and worse.
Just look at the world
since the 1940’s and 1950’s. They are going toward more
and more sensual things. Are their sensual desires
fulfilled? Or are they finding new ways to fulfill their
sensual desires? It has become worse, trying to fulfill
their desires. So it means that they are never going to be
satisfied. Why not?
If I have what I want
right now, isn’t that enough? Some people say, “If I had this
and that and that, I would be fine, I would be satisfied.” No,
you would not because when you have those things, you want more.
You want something, and then you want to add to it, and you become
more attached to more things.
The reason is that we are
really longing for limitlessness. We are created to be
limitless but we are trying to replace that limitlessness with the
desires of limited things in the external world. So we want to
fulfill that limitlessness with something limited, and it is never
going to happen. It is never going to work.
The best thing is to
close your eyes, start meditating, and start awakening your spiritual
forces. With directing that energy, that want, that desire,
from the external world and sensual things, to the internal world
and Godly things, you will fulfill your desires for sensual things
according to God’s Laws.
For instance, sexual
desires can be fulfilled through a nice marriage. Pure couples
can come together and create children, make a family, and at the
same time make it Godly. The sensual desires are not important
in their relationship, but the Godly set-up of creating the
community, creating the family, and creating an environment that
fulfills good for everyone, therefore, makes it Godly.
Another example is food.
Live in the Communities of Light. Cook beautiful food
together, share it, eat it together, and enjoy it. At the same
time it is not something that will become a heedless desire that
becomes completely insatiable.
God does not say, “Do not
use the external world.” God says, “Make it Godly. Make
it spiritual.” When you make it spiritual, you have more time
also to direct the energy from the external world to the internal
world, to the higher mental world, and make that will great for
progress in your spiritual life.
So we can see that how we
can use the energy, where our focus is, is affecting our lives and
our progress to the higher things. If you read
Universe And Man
and continue reading it, probably it shows a little bit of how, if
the energy is externalized, it becomes heedless desires.
Actually, you can just
look at atomic energy. You can use the atomic energy for good
things, grow things and bring beautiful things to the earth and
humanity. You also can use atomic energy to blow up the whole earth, fifty times. It is the same energy. It is the same prana. It is the same thing. You can direct it
externally and the energy becomes desires, attachments, and
temptation. You can internalize it, and it becomes wisdom,
higher thoughts, and progress.
In THOTH it
says, when the prana goes outwardly it becomes heedless desires, and
you are never going to be fulfilled. That is why we say, close
your eyes and go through your desires in your meditation. When
you have a desire for the external world, meditate on it. What
is going to happen? “I want this, I want it bad, I want it
now, I want it for myself, and I do not want to share it either.”
All right, go ahead, close your eyes, and meditate. You have
fulfilled it, OK, now what?
A lot of people desire to
have companionship, to be with other people. “If I buy a nice
house and have a lot of money, I am going to have a lot of friends.”
And they earn those things. Actually they lose many friends
and a lot of things because they become so snobby. You see,
the things you gain to fulfill other desires sometimes actually
That is when you close
your eyes, you go through it, and you create wisdom in your
meditation. You realize, “No, really, I do not want that.
That is not going to help me in my spiritual progress and higher
So internalize your
energy, bring it back from the world into yourself, and meditate on
it. If you have a desire, go through it in your meditation.
That is a Tantric way of fulfilling your desire without the side
effects of going externally.
Does that make sense?
Yes. Thank you, Maitreya.
All right! What is the next question?
In the Bhagavad-Gita chapter 8, verse 1, Arjuna asks what are
the over-soul, over-being, and over-divinity. I could not
understand Krishna’s answer. Can you explain these things and
how they relate to the
Where did you get those verses from, John, which Bhagavad-Gita?
The translation I have. Would you like me to read it?
No, only if you remember which translation. It is not the
Bhagavad-Gita, is it?
No. I also have one of those I was given…
…in the airport? [laughter]
The best Bhagavad-Gita that I found, with the closest true
translation, was the one translated by Juan Mascaro. I found
that the book from Penguin Classics is the best translation of the
that they have made. That is why we use it in the Mission.
Let us read the sentences that you just quoted from the translation
by Juan Mascaro. That makes it much clearer.
Here is that verse from the Penguin Classics: “Who is Brahman? Who is Atman? And what is karma, Spirit
Supreme? What is the kingdom of the earth? And what is
the kingdom of Light?
“Who offers the sacrifice
in the body? How is the offering made? And when the time
to go comes, how do those whose soul is in harmony know thee?”
So, as you can see here, it is not talking about the over-soul and
all of that in your question. It is talking about the Atman,
the Supreme, and karma. It is really talking about, “Who is
God, what is the Self, and how does the karma work here?”
The Supreme, or Brahman,
is God Himself. We believe that It is the consciousness and
the three gunas in the universe. It is everywhere and all over
There are two levels of
God, the manifested state and the unmanifested state. The
unmanifested state is absolutely in a blissful state of being, and
in the manifested state, is in the higher mental world or the sixth
chakra, which is also engaged in managing the universe.
That is what the Supreme,
or Brahman, is. It means the God that has control of the
universe and is within every individual. When He is within
every individual, that becomes atman, or self. So the Supreme
is Brahman, God in the manifested world. He is in control of
everything. He is the One who knows the smallest fish in the
ocean and what it is doing, what it is going to eat, and what is
going to happen to it.
The Self, or over-soul,
is Atman, which is in every one of us, which is the same as Brahman
or God Himself. Karma is action or the force in the universe
that we use to manifest or do things, and because of that we create
a reaction in our Souls. That reaction is the samskara that
stays with our Souls. Because of our actions, we create
the reactions, which become the Law of Karma.
If we do an action that
is not according to God’s Laws of the universe, we are going against
the Laws. So we create karma, which we have to learn the lesson
not to go against the Laws of the universe. These things are
what Krishna goes on to answer Arjuna in the whole chapter about how
the Self is the same as God, the atman with a small “a” is the same
as Atman with a big “A”, and the self with the small “s” is the Self
with the big “S.”
That goes very well with
the other Scriptures. The Bible says, “Know thyself to
know God.” Or, in every culture they say that, “Know thyself
to know God.” Why is my knowing self equal with knowing God?
It is because self is what? It is God. If you know
yourself, what do you know? You know the Self, which is the
same as God, so you know God.
Every Scripture is again
talking about the same thing. There is no difference between
the Scriptures and God’s Revelation. The Scriptures say the
same thing, the self is the Self, God and Atman are One, know
thyself to know God, and do the actions, which are according to
God’s Laws, according to the universal set-up.
The Ten Commandments are
a part of the universal set-up. The Fifteen Commandments are a
part of the universal set-up. Not going against the things
that have been said are according to the Universal Laws, makes us
more Godly, more in control, and gives us greater willpower in our
lives. As we were just talking about, the more we become
heedless and are attracted to Maya, the less we are going to follow
the Godly Way, the less we are going to follow the Laws of the
Universe. The less we follow the Laws of the Universe, the
more we are going to be out of control, unhappy, and destroyed.
So that is what Krishna
and Arjuna are talking about in this chapter. They are talking
about God, self, how the self creates karma, how karma affects the
individual, and how following the Laws of the Universe is going to
bring the human in a greater degree to knowing self and God.
That goes very well with
Mission’s teachings too. We believe that God is
everything, the self is a part of God, and knowing thyself is
knowing God. But we say, “Knowing thyself is accelerated in
the Communities of Light.”
We do not recommend that
you go to the mountains and isolate yourself from the rest of the
universe so that you can know thyself. No, we believe
that the Communities of Light accelerate the process more
than going to the mountains and meditating by yourself.
In that sense, our
teaching is different than Hinduism that teaches, “Separate
yourself.” I do not think the teaching was like that in the
beginning. The followers of the teacher went and lived in the
forest. Some of them were naked, ate bird food, and tried to
deny everything, deny their bodies, deny their senses absolutely,
and maybe they could know themselves.
How many of them did?
We find out that it did not really work. If you are completely attracted to the world and go to the external
world, you will see that that is not going to work either. So
what works? The middle path works.
What is the middle path?
The middle path is the Communities of Light. The
Communities of Light is the middle path. You reasonably
satisfy your physiological and safety needs but you have to withdraw
from the external world and your desires that you have so much.
You think they are normal, but they are not. So you can just
withdraw from those things that are not recommended. And more
and more you know thyself. The more you know the atman, the
more you know God.
So the Mission
actually is very much related to the teachings of the
Bhagavad-Gita. If you read the Bhagavad-Gita and
then you read the Bible, the New Testament, you will
see the similarity of what Krishna was talking about and what Christ
was saying. They are very similar to each other.
Of course, we know that
Christ went to Persia, India, and Tibet. Probably he was very
familiar with the
Bhagavad-Gita, their teachings, and the relationship between
God and atman. When he came back to Jerusalem, he was not just
a regular Jew but he was also a mystical person who had all this
knowledge with him.
When he said, “The Father
and I are One,” he really said that atman and Atman are the same
thing. “My self and God are the same thing.”
You can see even in his
teaching he showed that he was aware of the mystical part, the
teaching of Hinduism, etc. Of course, he also knew
about the teaching of Judaism and the Old Testament. So
he not only knew about Hinduism but he knew about other teachings
too. Also of course, he was the Messiah, and he came to
further the teaching to a greater degree.
Now we also believe in this,
that the self and God are the same thing, “Know thyself,” “Be still
and know that I am God.” And God is everything. He is
the Supreme. We are the self or atman. We can know Him
by knowing ourselves. And we do believe in karma although we
teach and explain it a little differently.
We do not believe that
karma is something set, and it is going to bother you for many lifetimes. We believe that after you learn your lessons, the
karma is going to go away, and you are going to be fine. So
the karma is there for you to learn your lessons. When you
learn your lessons, there is no karma left.
is a beautiful book. It has a lot of truth and wonderful
things in it but I have found out that some parts of it seem to have
been influenced and changed with human interference. Actually,
I started writing a commentary on it. I wrote a commentary for
three chapters and then I reached a point that I realized that some
parts are not really true. The things in it have been changed
and influenced by some carnal minds.
Like the caste system?
Yes, the caste system, etc.
So even when you are
reading the Bhagavad-Gita, read it with a grain of salt.
Again compare it with THOTH. The whole thing
comes back to, is what it says, in THOTH or not?
We do not believe that there is a caste system, as this person is
untouchable, but the Bhagavad-Gita goes on talking about
However, the rest of it
has a lot of beautiful teachings. We can use them in our
realization of what
THOTH is talking about when we say, Meditate and
awaken your spiritual forces.
What does it mean,
awakening of your spiritual forces? You can find a lot of that
in the Bhagavad-Gita. You can find a lot of that in the
Upanishads, in other Indian philosophies or Buddhist philosophies or
any other Mystical Path about how to know thyself. But always be careful. Always take them with a grain of salt and
compare them with THOTH. Really is it in
THOTH, or not? Hopefully we will not create a
caste system, because we do also talk about the Ksattriyas, Shudras,
Brahmins, etc. But it should not become a base for
the caste system.
All right! Does that make sense? Is there any follow-up
question for that?
thank you. No follow-up question.
Then let’s go to the third question.
In THOTH it says that in the beginning, the operative
powers of the three gunas were not released. Does this mean
that in the beginning the universe did not have the capacity of
creativity, knowledge, ability, and remembrance?
That is a very good question. It had the potential of
creativity but it did not have the memory, the ability to do, or the
ability to make a decision. It was a state of Be-ness, a state
of absolute equilibrium and balance. That state is the state
of Blissfulness and just Being without the kind of awareness that we
are talking about in the external world. It is a state of
“unexplainable,” of being, and no desire is left even to want to do
anything or create anything.
That is why in Hinduism
they say that the cycle of creation is: creation, and then
Brahman goes to sleep. It is just like He is tired, so the
creation collapses, and Brahman goes to sleep.
In the state of sleep, do
you have the ability of being creative? Yes, you do. Do
you have the ability of memory? Yes, you do, but you are not
using it. It is just like being in a dormant state.
You have the potential.
For instance, if a stone
is over there sitting at the top of the mountain, it has a potential
energy. If you push that stone down the mountain, it becomes
very powerful. If anything is in front of it, it will be
smashed to nothingness.
As long as the stone is
at the top of the mountain, is not falling, and is going nowhere, it
is just like being dormant. It does not have any potential of
doing any harm or anything like that. It is just sitting there. It
is the same state of being that it has the potential of being
awakened and it has the potential of creation, creativity, being
able to make decisions, remembering, and creating the universe.
But it does not want to.
It does not even have a desire. Actually there is no
desire in it. That is the state of desirelessness. If
there is no desire, how can you create?
You have to have a desire
to create a car before you start figuring out how to create a car.
If you do not have any desire to create a car, are you going to
become a carmaker?
If you have a desire to
paint something, the desire first comes. Then you say, “Oh, I
have to go buy the brush and buy the paint. Now, what kind of
subject do I want to paint?” See, you put the effort into it.
If you do not have any
desire to paint, do you paint? No. Do you have the
ability to paint? Of course you do. Anyone can buy the
brush and paint. Of course, you might not paint as well as
Michelangelo or Picasso, but you can paint. You have the
ability. You have the potential to do it. But there is
no desire to do it; therefore, it is not going to happen.
It is the same thing when
eventually this creation reaches a point that the original energy is
exhausted, and it goes back to that state of desirelessness.
Remember what created the
universe. The first reason for creation was that the desire
arose in the consciousness of the universe. That desire
brought imbalance to the whole equilibrium in the universe and
caused the big bang or the beginning of creation. So the whole
reason for creation was based on that original desire.
That is exactly what
makes humans heedless. It is desire, isn’t it? They have
a desire for this, they have desire for that, and on and on. That is what keeps them going toward Maya because the
desires awaken more potential in them to go to Maya.
So the first thing that
was created was, “I know.” Before that, He did not have to
know. He did not have any desire to know. He did not
need to know. He was in the state of absolute Bliss, Beingness, and equilibrium, so He did not have to know.
Then the next one was, “I
do.” In the state before that, there was no desire to do.
He was absolutely desireless of wanting to do anything.
Then, the creation went
on to create the manifestation of ether, which became memory and
action. Then he said, “I remember. I just awoke.”
Or, “I have the memory of being here. I have ability. I
have creativity. I have the desire.” The whole universe
started going away from a state of equilibrium to more and more
toward becoming more mundane, gross, and the creation and the
universe. Suddenly the whole universe was created.
That desire, of course,
created many different consciousnesses. Each consciousness had
their own desires and their own wants. They started splitting
into an uncountable number of unit consciousnesses, and this created
chaos. That is why in the Bible
it says, “In the beginning, the darkness was on the face of the deep
and the Spirit of God moved over the waters.”
What is darkness?
Darkness is chaos; it is something that is not controllable.
The light is not there anymore. It became so gross, so
desirous, and so away from equilibrium that the light absolutely
lost its original being and became darkness.
Before that, that being
was not even aware of what darkness was. But in the beginning
he realized, “There is darkness; there is chaos. There is
something wrong with this picture.”
Therefore, he moved to
bring everything under control again. And, of course, he
realized that helping each unit consciousness back to the Body was
hard work. They would not listen. They had their own
Just look at the earth.
Each individual has their own will, their own desires, and their own
wants. They want to go their own way and do their things for
their own way, the way they want to do them. God has been
sending Prophets and Revelations, and all of them say the same
thing, “Turn around. Be baptized. Forget about the
world. Come back to Me.”
How many people listen?
Even those people who say, “Yes, we want to listen,” then turn
around and go back to the world. The world gets them because
of their desires, wants, etc.
So in meditation we also
should become less and less desirous for the external world, and more
and more become that equilibrium without wanting to reach too much
of Maya and be completely destroyed by it. That is because
when Maya comes and our desires arise, we go toward our desires and God becomes less and less important. To return back home
becomes less important because you have a lot of things to do right
now and going home is not your priority. Doing other things is
more your priority.
Of course, the eventual
conclusion is that if you create a nice environment for people that
encourages them to go back home more and more, it is going to help.
That is where the idea of the Communities of Light comes in.
If you want to awaken
your spiritual forces by yourself, if you want to go home by
yourself, it is harder because the ocean of Maya is going to just
grab you and say, “No. You cannot do it. You are wrong.
You are the only person. You do not have any other person
thinking like you or supporting you.” But the
Communities of Light create an environment of support for
those who want to go back home.
Actually that is the
purpose of the Communities of Light, to create an environment
where everyone can progress physically, mentally, and spiritually,
and work on going home. If you are in the community and you
are trying to entice the community to the Maya and bringing Mayaistic
things into it, you are not part of the
Communities of Light. You are opposing the
Communities of Light
to go where they are supposed to go.
Then, of course, with
creating such an environment, you have to sacrifice. You
cannot say, “What is in it for me only?”
If you do that, then you are going to feel out of the community.
You are not connected with the community. You are not going to
be part of the community.
The community might
reject you. You might reject the community. Eventually
you will say, “Well, this is not going to work for me,” and again
you are going to fall into Maya. But when you are in the
community, you can easily turn around and go toward God and advance
in your spiritual progress.
Of course, the next step
is to do the Will of God. “What is the Will of God for me?
What was I created here for? Let it be, not my will but Your
If you say, “Oh, no.
I do not agree with God’s Will. That is OK if God wants it
this way, but my will is different than God’s Will,” what are you
saying? You are saying, “I do not want to listen to God’s
Will.” You want to listen to your own will.
Of course, this can be
misused. Some teacher might come here and say, “This is the
Will of God,” but really it is the will of the teacher. That
is why many religions have been created. A lot of teachers in
those religions brought their will into those religions and
presented that as the Will of God.
It is just like the
Brahmins came and said, “There is going to be a caste system.
These people I do not like; they are untouchable.”
In Judaism, the rabbi
became the head of the community. The rabbi said, “This is the
way it is,” so the Jewish people said, “Yes, that is the Will
of God.” But really it was not the Will of God.
Or in Christianity,
fathers and brothers say the way it is, and Christians said, “Oh,
OK. That is the way it is. That is the Will of God.”
Or in Islam, the Mullahs
came, and they said to the people, “This is the way it should be.”
But that was not what Prophet Muhammad said or God said. We
can see that it can be misused, following the “Will of God.”
In the Mission,
what is the Will of God? In the Mission the Will of God
is the Eternal Divine Path. It is very simple.
The rest of it is really the “icing on the cake.”
The rest is to bring you
to this realization that the goal of your life is to follow the
Eternal Divine Path, and that is the Will of God. So you
awaken your spiritual forces, etc.
And then, of course, you
have to become a universalist. You cannot say, “I love God but
I do not like this race, or that gender, or this part of the
universe, or…” You cannot do that because God is everything.
There is a purpose for
everything that God created. He would not have created them if
there were no purpose for them. So that is when you shatter
all the narrowness of the mind and free yourself from all those
What is the goal of all
those things? The goal is to go back home, to return to the
equilibrium, to return to the desirelessness, and to bring the
universe back to that state.
But that state does not mean that it does not have the potential of
being creative. It has the potential, but the potential is
dormant. There is no desire to create. There is no
desire to be awakened. There is no desire to know. There
is no desire to remember. There is no desire to be anything
else but in that state of absolute absorption into Self and Oneness
with the rest of the universe.
We cannot say that it did
not have any creative force or that it was not there because still
it is going to be consciousness and the three gunas. But the
three gunas are in the equilibrium level, and the consciousness is
absolutely free. It has the potential but it does not have the
desire to do anything with it.
So, in one sense, you are
correct. Before the creation, there was no memory, there was
no action, and there was no decision-making process. It was in
a state of being-ness, to be.
We can go back to
Shakespeare, “To be or not to be, that is the question.” If
you are, that means you are right there in the moment. That is
why some teachers say, “Self-realization comes when you are in the
moment,” you are in this second, neither in the past, nor in the
future. It is what is happening right here and now, it is that
moment of realization.
But the moment you say
here and now, what happens? The here and now is past; it is
gone. You are not there any more. So the only way you
can recognize and realize that state before the creation is to
be that state. And the only way you can get to that
state is through your meditation.
You cannot recognize
infinity until you experience infinity. Then you do not
question it, you know it exists. But intellectually it is
impossible to explain it.
Many gurus, teachers, and
other people try to explain what God is, or what Pure Consciousness
is. That is why most of them say, “It is a state of the
State means what?
State means it exists. It is a Being. It is there, but I
cannot explain it to you unless you experience it. The moment
you experience it, you know it is true but you cannot explain it to
another person. It is the state of the unexplainable.
That is why the only
thing God can do is to give you the Path, the way to go there, the
way to reach that state. It is up to you to go there to reach
that state. But according to our teachings, do not hurry.
It is going to be harder for you to do it by yourself. Even if
you do it by yourself, what is the goal of the universe? It is
to bring the equilibrium back to where it was.
If you try to get there
by yourself, do you think God is going to say, “It is OK, come in?”
He will say, “No. Go back. We have a lot of work to do.
All these unit consciousnesses are out there, and they are lost.
Go back and help them out. You cannot come in yet. You
are going to come back after you have helped a lot of people back to
So the whole goal of the
universe is to go back to the state that it was, to become
desireless, to that state of desirelessness. That is why this
creation is created. That is what we have to teach humanity
that they have to create the Communities of Light so that we
can create less desireful people and more great teachers and great
beings who like to spend their time and energy to help others so all
the universe goes back to where it was, as fast as possible.
That is the goal of the
life, to return to God. Every religion, every great teacher,
says the same thing, “Your goal is to return to Father, to Godhood,
to God, and to become One with Him.”
Does that make sense?
Yes, Maitreya, that makes sense, but I have a follow-up
Go ahead, John.
Why was the original desire released, the raja guna, why was that
Well, it is in the Universal Mind, it is in His Mind. It has
the potential of desiring. So as long as there is a potential
of something, it might happen.
That stone at the top of
the mountain has the potential of falling and causing a lot of
destruction. Or, Mt. St. Helene can blow up and destroy all
the mountains around it. As long as that potential is not
released, as long as Mt. St. Helene and the power inside of it are
contained, nothing will happen. Everything is there. But
the moment the pressure comes to the point that it cannot contain it
anymore, suddenly the mountain blows up.
Just imagine that Mt. St.
Helene, before blowing up, is like a consciousness in the state of
desirelessness but somehow the pressure reaches a point that Mt. St.
Helene blows up. The potential is released, and destruction
Now imagine that the
state of desirelessness exists for billions and trillions of years,
and suddenly it reaches a point that the potential of desiring is
released or awakened or somehow becomes alive in that consciousness.
The moment that happens, a new creation is going to start. The
desire is so strong that, that consciousness has no choice but to
That release of the
desire creates a new cycle, unless that part that has been released
realizes that he does not want to have that desire any more, and the
whole universe again becomes desireless to return to where it was
If there is a potential
in anything, there is a possibility that it will eventually go out
of equilibrium, use that potential, and create a situation for
fulfilling that desire.
Does that make sense?
Yes, it is mind-stretching as was said. Are there any more
Maitreya, that desire, though, was a Godly desire, right?
It was to help all the lost unit consciousnesses. It was not
like a heedless desire. Is that correct?
Well, that is the real question, “What was that first desire?”
That we have to go to the beginning of the creation as to what that
And another question is, if you overcome, might there still be desires?
You can picture a point where you overcome, and there are absolutely
no desires. Does that mean that there might be a desire that
comes up again?
Well, even if you have become desireless, the only thing you are
doing is you are realizing that desire is no good. That is a
type of realization that kind of defuses your desires. It is
not something that you cannot desire.
Even the greatest yogi,
or this realized person, can awaken their desires and become a
person full of desires. But they will not do it because they
know that desire is not good for them. It is not something that
they have not destroyed, but something that they have defused and
brought equilibrium in their being.
So if that equilibrium
changes and goes out of the way it is, it can happen. There
are some examples of spiritual teachers who fell. They started
something with a good idea and good intentions, but later on, they
Some of the preachers in
the last couple of years, probably they started with good
intentions and then later on we find them in bad situations that
shows that there were still some impurities. So they had the
potential. In the beginning they were more in equilibrium, but
they had the potential to fall. And they fell.
If you are trying to achieve desirelessness, wouldn’t you have a
desire to have no desires [laughter]?
All right! That is another mind-stretching question, a desire
of not having a desire. Actually, you do not desire to become
desireless, but you meditate on your desires and go through them, or
realize that they are not good. That by itself makes you desireless, because you realize that what you are going to do is not
going to help you to go where you want to go, or progress, or be, and it is
not good, so you just let it go.
Also it depends on how
clean your chakras are. The more you meditate, purify, and
cleanse yourself, the more the desires will dissolve by themselves.
As we talked about the little creatures, that as we put the light on
them for a long time, they will just completely become destroyed by
So really there is no
desire of being desireless, but you go through the process and
the desires fall off by themselves.
I can imagine desire being directed to a higher cause in the
manifested world but can there be a desire in an unmanifested
Maybe the first desire was to create. That is a
question that I would probably have to meditate on for a long time
to come up with, what was the original desire that arose in the
universe that for the first time, somehow, that state of absolute
absorption lost its equilibrium? And because it lost its
equilibrium, the forces were released, and those forces took over
Maybe the first desire
was, “I am too lonely?” Or, “Am I here only by myself?”
Or, “Who am I? What am I doing here?” Somehow, you can
even say, maybe the beginning was not the first desire but the
disturbance of the equilibrium in the universe. And because
the equilibrium fell, the first consciousnesses started being
crudified with the forces. It started snowballing and
eventually reached to the awakening of, “Oh, I know. I do.
I have done,” and the beginning of the creation started.
But at the same time the
consciousness realized that he has the ability to control it and
bring it back to where it used to be.
So those questions and
going back to the beginning of creation are very mind-stretching
questions. They are good to think about, meditate, and try to
figure them out but you have to go to the beginning of the creation
to see what was that desire. As I said, most probably the
equilibrium was disturbed, and then the desires arose.
Well, I also had a question about creativity. Where does that
come from? I think when you look in the animal world, it seems
like humans are the only ones who have that incredible intense (is
it a desire?) to create, to make things. You do not see it
really in any other animals. In chimpanzees or monkeys, you do
not see that. You see them doing a little bit but not like the
human. Is that a part of us that is similar, we are made in
the image of God, and God created and that is from Him? Is it
a chakra thing? Is it a lower chakra? Is it a higher
chakra? Is it a desire?
Well, I do not think animals are absolutely void of creativity.
They do have creativity in them but probably it is not as expanded
as human creativity.
Actually in Islam,
Prophet Muhammad said that when God created humans, He said,
“Tabarekollah Ahsanol Khaleghin.” It means, “the highest
congratulations of this creation.” It means it was the crown
of the creation. It was the crown of what He eventually
accomplished by creating man, because man is the only being who is
in the image of God.
We cannot see that the
says that the dog is in the image of God or the cat is in the image
of God, or even the horse or the chimpanzee is in the image of God.
But He said, “Man is in the image of God.”
So, in a sense we are
created the most potent being, at least in the creation we are aware
of. We have the potential to become Godly and have God
consciousness in us. As we said, God has the potential of
creating. He has the ability to be very creative.
So if we are in His
image, therefore, we have a lot of potential to create and be
creative, actually to be a co-creator with God, and then create
things that God can be very proud of what we have done.
There is no other animal,
no other being, at least as far as we know, that has accomplished on
earth as the human has. We have accomplished in many levels,
in the intellectual, in the physical, in the mental, and in the
spiritual levels. We have brought a lot of creativity to the
earth and our environment. Probably we are the most successful
animal on earth, if you look at us as a part of the animal kingdom.
We should have something
very special in us that we are able to do things that other animals
do not have or cannot accomplish. And we do, we have the
potential of being One with God and in His Image, especially before
we were split into male and female. So probably we had even
more potential before God split man and woman or male and female
into two parts.
Now we can become more
potential if we realize that we are a part of each other and bring
that creativity together as collective beings on earth.
Instead of fighting with each other and seeing the separation among
ourselves, we need to see the collectivity, the completeness, the
complimentary things that we are all together, and how we can
complete and make ourselves more perfect by realizing that we are a
part of the greater body. The potential of creativity is going
to be amazingly higher than the human ever experienced or has seen.
So we have not yet really
realized our potential. We have been individuals who have been
very creative. In our creativity, we are very separated from
the collective help of everyone else. Now if we can overcome
that and see the unity on earth and humanity and everything here,
then we can see that our creative energy has not even met one tenth
of a percent of what it could be.
We still have a long way to go to really manifest what God has
created in us. Probably, who knows, maybe we can come to a
point to create a machine that people can just sit underneath and
they can go to Pure Consciousness right away. It would just
cleanse their chakras and make them go right to the higher self and
realize God in a much faster way. It would be just like we
make instant coffee instead of brewing it, we could have an instant
realization to the higher self, etc.
So we can be very
creative. The human has a lot of potential. We are only
using 8-10% of our brains. What happened to that other 90%?
90% is still dormant. We have not been using it very well.
Just imagine if we made that using 25%, 30% of our brain.
Are we really only this
physical body, or are we going to progress in a greater degree to a
more glorified body? But this is the beginning of a great leap
to come for humanity. So this is not the end at all.
Again we are not an
apocalyptic-teaching Mission at all. We are not at the
end at all. We are at the beginning of the release of great
potential for humanity. We, each of us, are a part of it to
bring it to that point.
But as long as humans are
separated, they are fighting each other, they are destroying each
other, and they are so narrow in their understanding of the
universe, it cannot occur. For instance they say, “We do not
have enough resources.” It is just laughable. How can
you not have enough resources? There are infinite resources
out there in the universe waiting for the human to tap into.
But we are so narrow in our vision that we just see black oil, or
electricity created by atomic reactors, or things like that.
However, there is infinite energy out there.
It reminds me of a bird
that sits in front of a large lake, and she does not
drink the water of the lake. The reason is that she is afraid
that if she drinks from the lake, it might dry out. She dies
of thirst because she is afraid that it might dry out.
But if she had the
vision, she would know that the water is going to come back from the
sky, and it is going to rain. The lake is never going to dry
out, and she can drink to her heart’s content.
So we can see that when
our vision becomes very small, we will suffer. That is why one
of the teachings is that your ideology and goal is very important in
your life. That really means your vision. Your vision
should be expanded.
We are here trying to
create a new man, a new society, and a new human. Do not lower
your vision to, “I am going to work and this is all there is.
I do not like this work, and I am stuck here.” No, you are
helping to create the new man, the new society.
All of us need a greater
vision here that we have to bring to humanity to expand them, to
them of their small visions that bring so much destruction to
humanity. They are fighting, destroying each other, bombing
each other, etc. If they can expand their
consciousnesses, then they will not see each other as enemies but
they will see each other as potential complimentary parts of the
We have to stretch our
vision. We have to stretch our viewpoint and work on ourselves
but at the same time know that we are a part of a greater truth that
has come to humanity. Humanity is on the brink of breaking to
a great release of their potential. But as long as we are
concentrating only on earth, only on our race, only on our religion,
only on our nation, or only on our culture, we are going to be at
each others’ throats for another hundred, two hundred, or a thousand
That is why God sent this
Mission, why God sent this Vision, “Give it to
humanity. Let them expand their vision. Let them expand
their views. Let them come to see that they are not
contradictory to each other, but they are complimentary to each
Each culture has
something to offer. Each culture is beautiful. Each
culture has to enrich our culture, instead of saying, “Oh, no, I
want my culture. I do not want your culture. Your
culture is bad. You are no good. You are inferior to me
and I am going to bomb you, or destroy you, or do ethnic cleansing.”
The concept of “ethnic cleansing” means that they are dirty or, “There is something wrong with them that I have to
cleanse them of something.”
With that kind of
thinking, it means narrow vision, tunnel vision. You have not
expanded your vision to see, “Oh, maybe they have something good
that I can use. Maybe I can look a little deeper to see that
they have something that will enrich even my culture to a greater
With this realization, we
can overcome our fears, our desires, our feelings of inferiority,
and our getting stuck in a small place and realize, “Yes, I am doing
a great thing here. I am bringing humanity to a release of a
As we create more and
Communities of Light, that mundanity should also be lifted up
from all of us who are stuck in working or being in a small place of
society and feeling to be no one or anything. We will then be able
to feel, “Yes, I am doing a great thing here, I am a part of the
human progress and the expansion of the Vision.”
So I hope all of us will
expand our Vision. Do not let the world get you. Let
THOTH get you. Let God get you, but not the world that
tries to tell you that you are no good, you are small, you are
nothing, and all that. You are great. You are doing a
This Vision is wonderful,
and humanity has greater potential than where they are. That
is what we have to teach them. That is what we have to awaken
them to. A hundred years from now, if we can create many
Communities of Light and release this energy, the human is going
to be somewhere that they have never even imagined possible.
Just imagine what we have done in the last fifty years. We
came from the horse and buggy to space travel in fifty years.
I was seven years old when it started. So we can see that if
we could have done that for all these problems we have on earth,
imagine what we could do if we did not have these problems on earth
and the energy was going toward the progress in physiological and safety needs, and spiritual
After a while we will know
from the very childhood, what is the child good at? What is
his or her potential? How can we nurture that potential for
every child, every child on earth, and in the universe? This
would be not only on earth, but also for the whole universe.
Every child should be able to be nurtured and his potential on earth
be recognized, encouraged, and allowed to bloom.
If we can do that,
imagine how many talented children are going to be out there to help
the scientific field, or the spiritual progress, or the physical
world, or the legal progress, or the medical field, and everything
that has progressed up to this point.
Medicine has reached such
a point that they have drugs for almost everything, and it is really
miraculous what they can do. There is almost a cure for cancer
now, etc. Actually, we should not have cancer in
the first place. According to our teachings and in the
Communities of Light, and with the proper diet, meditation,
etc., that should stop there.
For instance, the
teaching about yin and yang, that some people call acidity and
alkalinity. It is the same thing. It is the realization
of bringing balance in our diets. Our diet here in the United
States is not very balanced. We eat too many acidic things,
such as coffee, meat, and sugar, etc. After awhile we have
acidic bodies, and that is the base of cancer. If we can go
back to a more alkaline, or a more balanced diet, or a yin and yang
balance, we are going to have greater health.
So humans have progressed
a lot but they have a lot more potential. Each of us is a part
of a great movement, which is not really a revolution but is an
evolution. We are evolutionary people. We are here to
teach, and our teaching should hit their hearts and make them
desirous to be a part of us.
Does that make sense?
Maitreya, I was talking to a lady. She asked about our
Path and if we become perfect by following this Path. I
answered her, and now I think that maybe my answer was wrong.
I actually said, “No.” That is why I am asking you about this
because I want to make sure that I learn from this whole situation
so that if I was wrong, I can get it right in the future.
I answered that for a
couple of reasons, thinking that to become absolutely perfect, I did not feel that maybe you could do that within the
body, for one thing, because I understand that there is some karma
left, even in the highest being. Also I knew we could not
become completely one as God is, which is everything, and He is
Perfect. There was another one, but I do not really remember
what that was. So I would like to hear your thinking on this
as far as clarifying my understanding of this for the future.
Well, if you get to a point where you have a little karma left, you
are pretty perfect. In any standard of human beings that they
can compare you with regular humans, you have pretty much made it to
a very good state of being. You are a person that your
concentration, feeling, and life is toward the creation of the
Communities of Light, bringing other people to the Path,
awakening your spiritual forces, sacrificing, surrendering and being
submissive, and becoming a universalist. You are a pretty
You might have some karma
left. You might have a son to enroll in a school and help him
reach a point of independence, and after releasing him, you might
have a wife that you live with and are one with. But at the
same time, those things are secondary to your Mission and
what you have done. Actually, your son and wife are there for you and love
you because you have a Mission, etc.
If we can consider being
as perfect as we can, following the Eternal Divine Path and
creating the Communities of Light, most humans would probably
say, “This is pretty good and pretty high.”
If you reach a point that
you become completely desireless and you have no karma left, you do
not stay in your body. You go to that state that it was.
Again, according to our teachings, even when you reach there, God is
not going to let you go in. He is going to send you back and
say, “Go back.”
That is why we are
probably going to be the last people in the universe to enter that
state because we decided to come back and become teachers, helping
the awakening of the spiritual forces in other people, teaching
these things, and returning again and again.
So the question of, if we
will become perfect, you can answer that we will become as perfect
as possible in the body.
That is essentially what I said to her, that by following our Path
you could become more and more perfect. But I guess I was
saying that maybe you would not become completely perfect. I
guess I felt like maybe she was asking, “Do we become that perfect,
like the son of God?”
Yes, you do become a son of God. But being a son of God does
not mean that you are not here. Actually, you become a son of
God because if you reach a point that you reach Pure Consciousness
and never return, God and you are One. There is no separation
of God and the son of God.
But as long as you are in the body, you
can be the son of God, let God come through you, do the perfect
things, and at the same time stay in the body and be a son of God.
So you do become a son of God, and you become almost as perfect as
So if the question is,
“Do you become perfect,” say, “To follow the Eternal Divine Path
completely, there is no other Path that makes you as perfect as the
Eternal Divine Path will make you.”
Isn’t it given in God’s Scriptures, in the Bible, that, “Be
perfect as your Father is in heaven?” Didn’t Christ teach
that, so it is right in the Scriptures?
Exactly! So be perfect as your Father is. That means
that you have the ability. God will let you become as perfect
as possible. But, of course, you become as perfect as the
Father is in the sense that you will go to the Father.
But you come back as an Avatar.
As a perfect person returned to earth, you need some kind of
attachment to keep you in the body. Otherwise you would not
stay in the body. You would just absolutely leave. That
God does not want you to do.
God wants you to be here and do His
Will. Therefore, you might have something still here but it is
not really your karma. It is something that was created to
just keep you in your body, to stay here where you are. So you
can become perfect in the human body with a very little karma left
So the answer to that
lady is, “As perfect as humanly possible.” And yes, you can
become a son of God. You can become in the image of the Father
because God said you can, and we say you can. [a little
It is twelve o’clock.
I hope you all enjoyed the Satsang. Meditate on these
Satsangs. We have many others from before, and a lot of
questions have been answered. Many of these answers have also
been transcribed. We have them here. You can contact us and say, “What was the answer to that question?”
Probably we can send the answers to you.
That is my job here.
I hope the answers are things that make sense to all of you.
If they do not make sense, you can always follow-up and eventually
reach a point where it makes sense to all of us. This is the
time to give all the answers, which make sense so that humanity does
not have anything that they can say, “We do not know the answer to that.”
Then we can say, “Yes, you do. The answer was given in such
and such a tape. God gave us the answer.”
Eventually, when we
finish with the answers, we have to get on with the work.
That is what the
Mission is all about. You know them by their fruit.
So I am waiting for a lot of fruit to manifest.
God Bless you and be with you, and have
a Godly month. See you all next month. Sal-OM!