Conversations with Maitreya
09/13/2003
Maitreya: Good morning everyone. Welcome to the Mission of Maitreya, our room, the Conversation Room with me. I hope we are going to have a very lively conversation room here together and we can discuss all religions, why they have been unified and how God has sent all these religions separately. Now they have been put together and the Seven Seals have been opened.
You have gone to our website and read our teaching, and now you know very well how well God has sent these revelations together and how now we can tell humanity that they are One with God, all the revelations have come from Him, and humanity is One. As long as we separate from each other by nations, languages, cultures, religions, and all that, there will be wars and destruction.
The cultures, languages, and other things on earth have been brought closer together and really there are no separate cultures anymore. Cultures have been mixed so much that no one can say their culture is unique, but they have been influenced with other cultures. Of course, cultures are being influenced with each other all the time and are becoming in a greater degree mixed.
Now also the religions of the world have been unified and God has sent this Revelation and is telling humanity that your religions are all a part of a greater truth. Therefore we can see all the signs are toward the unification of religions, unification of humanity, unification of cultures, languages, and all that. So, we have accelerated the evolutionary process of man to come out of the egoistical way of separating one another, to a more unified way to come together as One Humanity, under One God.
Therefore this is another sign that humanity is going toward this unification, and of course, with the coming of this Revelation, they have been unified. We are here to talk to you about your religion or why your religion is a part of this religion, why your revelation and understanding cannot be perfect until the Seventh Angel comes. When the Seventh Angel comes, the explanation of all religions, social orders, and everything that can be explained will be explained, and is explained, and now is on earth.
So we will open the room to you to come and ask questions. Of course, you can come to the mic, that is the most preferable so we can hear your voice and get to know you better. Also, that is easier to understand and converse with one another. “Converse” probably means to talk to each other, but you can also type in the text area your questions and your concerns. If I can see them, or if I am sent the questions, I will answer them.
Therefore, again, let us first discuss why are all the religions of the world not unified? Where is Islam? Where is Christianity? Where is Hinduism, Buddhism, Cabala? Where is Judaism? Where are all these religions and why are they now separated? God has been sending these religions all together, and now we can see that they have been together from the very beginning.
Actually this Revelation is not new, it is from the eternity that Christ called “eternal.” It is a Path, it does not have any dogma, that is why it is called “path.” And it leads to Divinity, that is why it is called “Divine.” It is the Eternal Divine Path. It is the Path that all the great souls knowingly or unknowingly have been following and have followed, and those who want to become saints and Great Souls also will recognize and realize the depth and beauty of this Path and will follow it.
This Path has been on earth since 12,000 years ago. It has been revealed to humanity then, and humans failed to follow it. They brought destruction upon themselves in the form of the flood of Noah, and man was further purified and the third eye was closed. Their ability to see that the Spirit world has more truth than the physical world was shut. Therefore, most humans see this external world as the reality and the truth instead of realizing that the spiritual world is more true than this external world, and they have become so attached to this external world that they only think that, “This is it.”
We are in the external world and we scratch each other’s face and accumulate as many physical things as possible that we can obtain. Then we die and leave all of them behind and we no longer can use them.
But humans are in such deep delusion of separation from God that they think that this world is the truth.
So humanity again has to realize that they are a spirit more than physical body, that there is a God that has created this universe and brought them to this point together. They should create the Kingdom of God on earth and create the Communities of Light and bring the Kingdom of God on earth.
Therefore, we can have peace, unity, and understanding, and have time to meditate, awaken our spiritual forces, and become more familiar with the goal of the life. What is the goal of the life? The Goal of the Life is to Be(come) Divine, to be(come) a part of God, One with the Spirit. That is the goal of life. There is no other goal in life, but to be(come) Divine and Godly.
These are the things that everyone should learn and humanity can recognize that there is a God and that God is everybody’s God. There is only One God. There are not two, three, four, or a hundred thousand. There is One God, one Spirit, One Consciousness, that is created for us. Therefore, separating God from too many Gods, or not recognizing that God is the goal, then we will fall into Maya, we will fall into the delusion of separation and this world will become so real to us.
That is why in this Mission we recommend that everyone should have the minimum necessities of life. Physiological and safety needs should be provided and taken care of. Some people say, “How is that possible? Not everybody can have the minimum. Some people should have more, and some people should have less.”
As I have said many times, the universe has infinite resources and if we reach to the universe, we can use these resources. There is enough for everyone’s needs, but there is not enough for everyone’s greed, as Mahatma Ghandi said. We have to recognize that we have the ability to create an environment where man can progress physically, that their physiological and safety needs are taken care of; mentally, that they are provided with enough education and material to mentally become strong and understand the universe, their life, the world and their psychic and physical body and whatever they want to know, they can know by studying, education, reading, thinking, and helping to bring a greater standard of living and understanding to humanity.
Question [reading from text]: What is the difference between Maitreya and other Avatars?
Maitreya: Probably you can put that question in the form of, “What is the difference between the Messiah and spiritual teachers?” Spiritual teachers come to help a few people or a great number of people, depending on their mission. But the Messiah is the one who God has prophesied to come for hundreds and thousands of years, and when that person comes, he will fulfill the prophecies of his coming.
Of course, these Prophets had been in the making for thousands of years, and now with this Revelation has come after the Revelation of the Seven Seals, or Seven Prophets, or Seven Angels.
It has been prophesied that Abraham will come, and he would bring the Second Seal.
The First Seal is the spirit of all religions. It is the Mystical Paths and every religion has that mystical part. So there was no Prophet for the coming of the First Seal.
So, the Second Seal, the coming of Prophet Abraham was prophesied, he was chosen, he was foretold to come. And then, of course, He came and brought the Second Seal.
Then God promised to Israel and Ishmael that they would have children. To Abraham he promised, when his name was Abram, that a Prophet would come from him. The children of Abram, of course, are from Ishmael, and Ishmael eventually produced Prophet Muhammad.
Then He also prophesied that a Messiah will come from Abraham, whose son was Isaac, and the Messiah came through Isaac as Christ, as Esa the Christ, who is usually called “Jesus.” Of course, “Jesus” never was his name but his name was Esa the Christ, and he came as the promised Messiah.
Then there is a prophecy that a Messiah will come from the lineage of Prophet Muhammad, and he came as Bab, that eventually the religion became the Baha’i teaching, and so on.
So, there is a prophecy of the coming of the Messiah. Any teachers, any gurus, any person who comes and claims that he is from God but has not fulfilled the prophecies, they are probably teachers, they are sent to help some people but they are not here to fulfill the prophecies and bring a great religion and revelation to humanity.
Therefore, that is the difference between the Messiah and a teacher or a guru that comes to earth for humanity. The teacher is not like Christ, who came and absolutely accelerates human evolution and he founded a great religion such as Christianity. Then Prophet Muhammad came and he accelerated human evolution, and he founded the religion of Islam. Then Bab came, of course, and he founded the Baha’i teaching and so on.
Each Prophet has been devised 12,000 years ago and now it is the end of this Plan. When the Seven Seals are opened and the Seventh Angel comes, the Mystery of God will be finished, Revelation chapter 7. Also any time the Seventh Angel comes, it is finished, it is done, it is the end, and that is where we are at.
Question [reading from text]: Is this Maitreya here today?
Maitreya: Yes, this is Maitreya talking to you. If you have any questions,…
Question [from text]: You did not talk so good about Sai Baba on your home page. But I realized he was an Avatar, he was prophesied 600 years ago in the Upanishads. The Upanishads talk about the Kalki Avatar coming three times in a row.
Maitreya: Well, actually we claim that Maitreya is the Kalki Avatar, so we can see that there is a conflict of belief and understanding here. The Kalki Avatar is supposed to unify all religions of the world. The Kalki Avatar is the Seventh Angel. The Kalki Avatar is the person who will open the Seventh Seal. He will unify all religions of the world.
The Sai Baba teaching is mostly Hinduism and is based on what was already brought to humanity as all religions are basically the same. That is exactly what Baha’i or Bab also said also that basically religions are all the same and everybody said, “Oh, that is great. That is how religions will be unified.”
But we can see the prophecies and the Scriptures do not agree with them. The text is going very fast while I am on that question. I might miss some of your questions because this is a very interesting, good question that has to be really addressed in a deeper level. And of course, we have to find out who is really the Kalki Avatar. Who is really the Seventh Angel? Who is really the Messiah? Who has fulfilled more prophecies than anybody else of the coming of this Revelation? OK, another question is:
Question [reading from text]: If Sai Baba is from the lineage of King David, has he fulfilled the prophecies that the Seventh Angel will open the Seven Seals and the Book With the Seven Seals is a branch of the tribe of Judah? I think all the teachings in this age are …
Maitreya: That is what really everybody should meditate on, what you think and what the revelations and the Scriptures say, are two different things. Humanity has to realize that they have to stop believing their own understanding but believe in the Scriptures and God. God’s Words do not teach what he just typed there, that “the collective universe is the Messiah,” [reading from text] “…the Seventh Seal and unbroken promises…” Well, you probably should come and take the mic and explain yourself in a deeper level.
What you are saying is from human understanding. They are not from the Scriptures. This Revelation, this Mission is based on God’s Words. And God’s Words say that only one person will come as the Seventh Angel, He will fulfill the prophecies, and he will be from the branch of the tribe of Judah. These things Sai Baba has not fulfilled. Therefore you can see that you have to be more able to see in a deeper level the truth of the revelations of God.
Comment [text]: I do not hear any sound. One who is chosen does not need a picture.
Maitreya: That again is not correct, because all the Revealers, all the Prophets have brought a Scripture. Actually having a Scripture is a part of a true Prophet, and a person who comes and does not bring a Scripture [there was no sound in the room, computer is rebooted.] Well, apparently there was some glitch there.
So we can see that we have to be very discerning and be a thinker about the Revelation of God and not chose anybody who comes and says, “I am the Messiah, this is my understanding, that is how we explain God, that is how you should follow ….”
It has been prophesied that many will come in My Name and deceive many. Those who are truly looking for the Messiah or the correct person who has come from God will look into the prophecies very carefully. Of course, there are people that they hear the Word, they understand the teaching, they see the Vision, then they will believe because it is based on the Word of God.
Of course, many will come – they even said many will come and perform great miracles. They will bring great wonders to heaven, but they are not the one, OK? Do not be deceived, do not become attached to the people who do some little miracles but to those who know the Word of God. Look at the words of the person and the Word of God to see which one is the truth.
Go ahead Baba [no sound]. Baba, if you have a question, go ahead [silence]. Alright, apparently not.
We have to respect everybody but we have to say the truth. Saying the truth might hurt sometimes, that does not mean that we are not respectable to you. But this is the truth! And this is the Word of God. The Word of God is very clear, that many will come and say they are Christ, they are the Messiah, they are the Promised One, they are the Kalki Avatar, they are the reincarnation of Muhammad, they are the Buddha, they are the Mehdi, they are this and that.
But only the one who fulfills the prophecies is the True One. We do not want to destroy anybody or be disrespectful to them, but we want to guide them. I hope you will take this to Sai Baba and tell him that he is not from the branch of the Tribe of Judah. He has not fulfilled all the prophecies. He has not opened the Seventh Seal. Therefore, he had better realize that what he is doing is not what he thinks it is, but he has to overcome that and become One with this Mission and give up that idea and come and join us.
[reading from text] “I will let people ask their questions, then I will talk with you towards them. I have good questions.”
Go ahead, sure. That would be fine. Sai Baba is not God. There is no God but One God, the Formless, Invisible, Nameless, and Eternal. He does not have any form, he is eternal, he has no name, and we call Him FINE (Formless, Invisible, Nameless, and Eternal). Any form, any shape, any taste, anything that has a physical attribute is not the ultimate, is not the essence, it cannot be God.
So the only thing that comes the closest to God is the Messiah, who is the Spirit of God on earth and he brings the Revelation to humanity. As Prophet Muhammad said, God will only talk from behind the veil or a curtain to everyone, but only the Prophet or the Messiah who has fulfilled the prophecies can bring the whole teaching to man. Therefore we have to be very careful with our understanding, but seek and know the Scripture in a better way and then compare it to this Mission and what we say are God’s Words. Then you will say, “Yes, indeed, this is from God and anybody else and everybody else out there are not from God.”
[reading from text]: “Sai Baba is not God.”
Question [text]: A question: Help us to realize these teachings in a greater degree. We are all God.
Maitreya: Yes, we are a part of God. We are a part of the universe, which is God.
God is everything, therefore we are a part of God, but we have not reached Pure Consciousness or we have not learned our lessons. We are still in Maya. We have the potential to become in the image of God and manifest His qualities. Therefore, saying, “We are all God” is a little misleading because then if everybody says, “I am God, although I have not overcome,” so we have the potential of becoming god, but we have to overcome.
Question [text]: Maitreya, let’s go with this idea.
Maitreya: OK, what is that supposed to mean?
Question [text]: Are you a personalist?
Maitreya: Well, I do not know, but that is the truth and the essence that we teach here. The Essence of God is Formless, Invisible, Nameless, and Eternal. Therefore if you give a personality, a shape, or anything that has physical attributes, then it is impossible to reach the Ultimate which does not have any of these attributes.
Comment: [text] “…without energy, without form, without structure, without a name.”
Maitreya: Exactly. God has only one unpronounceable, unutterable name. Every other name is man-made, given to Him. His true Name is the essence of creation, and everything has been created by that Name which is called the Holy Word, the Word.
That also cannot be pronounced and uttered in this external world. So we can see again humanity likes to give attributes, names, and all that to God, and when they do that, of course, they fall from the highest realization of God.
Energy is a part of the universe, it is called “raja guna.” If you read our teaching again, you will receive all these answers to the questions you have. You love God, apparently. If you love God with all your heart, mind and spirit, and because you love God, you love the Essence of God in every man, in every atom, in every part of the creation. Therefore, that Essence is what is in man and is God [reading comments in text].
Comment [text]: … we are a part of God and Everything that He is … the grand overall design … I am not interested in talking about God instead the Bliss of God …
Maitreya: This text is going very fast … Go ahead, Shirin.
Shirin: Thank you, Maitreya. Sal-Om everyone. In reading from THOTH over and over again, I really wanted to understand a particular word in a deeper level. Whenever earlier in this session we were talking about Abraham and it always says in THOTH that, “God took Abraham as a friend,” and that Abraham was the first Elected One. I really do not understand the word “friend.” Could you explain that more deeply?
Maitreya: Yes, in the Koran actually Abraham is called a friend of God, and that is where the words “friend of God” come from. Apparently he had the ability to talk to God in a very personal way, and therefore he kind of was God’s friend.
Of course, we all are God’s friend and we all can talk with Him very closely and easily. Therefore we all can be God’s friend, but he was even arguing about the Sodom and Gomorrah and the city, and he was trying to change God’s mind about destroying them. God told him that if he had five people who were good in that city, he would not destroy them.
Therefore we can see that he kind of was a friend of God’s, and in a friendly way He was persuading him that what He was doing, He had no choice because they were rotten to the core, and so he had a very close relationship with God.
That is why they called him “the friend of God.” Apparently no other Prophet was this close and so personal to God. That is why he started the Judeo-Christian-Islamic-Baha’i teachings. Also God was very close to him in the promising him in the sense of what was going to happen in the future. He was telling him that he was going to have a son by the name of Ishmael and he would be blessed with the Prophethood and the great territory. Now we know they have, and the Moslems and Arabs have a great part of the earth and they have the religion of Islam.
He promised also that after He changed his name to Abraham, that he would be the father of many nations. Actually that is what the name “Abraham” means. It means “the father of many nations.” He also fulfilled that prophecy with the coming of Christ, and with the Hebrews that eventually came to the West and occupied Europe and the United States.
Of course, if you read our teaching, you will know that all of this is written in THOTH. Therefore, he was also very close to Him and received the revelation, the Word of God, and the promises that God gave to both of the children of Abram and Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac. They are all fulfilled to this point, therefore he was a great Prophet, close to God.
There is a question:
Question [text]: When Esa said, Is it not written in your Scriptures, I have said that you are god, I think he meant it literally. We are all God, and there is only One God. We are a part of everything and also everything at the same time. Isn’t that true?
Maitreya: That is the truth, that is the reality that we are all a part of God, we all have the essence of God in us. OK, that is the truth. We can say that, you are god. Yes, you are god because you are a part of God. The problem is that some people say, “I am god,” and then they forget that other people are also god. They also forget that they have to overcome their lower nature and they also can become a part of God.
Therefore, that is where my objection comes from, that you have to recognize that God is everything, God is everyone, therefore do not believe that because you are god you are better than everybody else. Everybody else also are god and therefore they have the potential to reach Pure Consciousness or Godhead.
Shrii Prasada [text]: To think only you are god and only you must be that.
Maitreya: [laughs] OK, that is the whole idea of recognizing – and also, we have to recognize that there is One God which is the Creator. You have the potential to reach Pure Consciousness but you did not create the universe. You are not the Creator. The Creator is God Himself, which is bigger than anything else.
There is only one God in that level, and of course, also there is the Spirit of God which comes to earth like Krishna and Buddha, Shiva, Muhammad, Bab and all those Prophets who have come. They come to bring the Word of God to humanity in a greater degree. Therefore, there is another level of God which is the Mouthpiece of God which comes to earth. We cannot accept anybody who has a little realization and recognition of God as the Messiah, as the Mouthpiece of God. We cannot follow everybody that claims to be from God or has a little truth.
Actually having more truth is better than having a little truth, because when you are not having any truth, you say, “I do not know.” But if you have a little truth, then you think you know and then not only are you misguided but you will misguide others.
Therefore, we accept that God sends the Scriptures. When we read the Scriptures, then we know the Word of God and then we have a good grip of the truth and by the coming of this Revelation and explanation, we know all the answers to every question that you might have about the Scriptures.
So, I am not against your words that we are god. I agree with you. At the same time, we can go to a deeper explanation, how we have the potential to be(come) god, instead of believing you are God but you do not accept other people as god and even stop trying to progress physically, mentally, and spiritually toward the Perfection.
Was Krishna a Prophet? Yes, you could say he was a Prophet, he was a Messiah.
Ram Das [text]: Sal-Om.
Maitreya: Sal-Om Ram Das.
Ram Das [text]: Many little truths make big truth.
Maitreya: That is true, but the whole truth is better than the big truth, and the whole truth only comes after the Revelation of the Seventh Angel.
Ram Das [text]: Krishna was not a Prophet.
Maitreya: OK, you say “Krishna was not a Prophet.” What is then?
Ram Das [text]: He is God.
Maitreya: All the Prophets are god. All the Prophets bring the Spirit of God on earth and therefore you can say they are god, but they are god with a small “g,” not a big “G,” because only He is the God with the big “G.” Therefore that is the part that Hinduism and Buddhism should recognize, that the Spirit of God comes through the prophesied person, the Messiah, and because the Spirit comes through them, they can say they are god, because that Spirit behind them is God [reading text].
As I said, everybody can be god, and one can call the Messiah god, as Christ, they say he was god. There is some truth in it. But one day someone called him, Good Rabbi, and he said, I am not good, God is good. What happened? Two days ago, you said you are the only way, and now you are saying that you are not even good? So we can see that he was a man and at the same time he was the Mouthpiece of God, therefore he was god in that sense.
Shrii Krishna Shanti [text]: … Baba, Buddha, Jesus, Maitreya, all are one.
Maitreya: Well, not according to Scripture, Shrii Krishna Shanti. It is only the prophesied person. Krishna was the Messiah. Buddha was the Messiah. Christ (Jesus) was the Messiah. But you cannot have two Messiahs at the same time being on earth [reading text on screen].
Shrii Krishna Shanti [text]: Why are all of you so mad about Sai Baba?
Maitreya: We are not mad about Sai Baba, Shrii. The truth is that he has not fulfilled the prophecies and he does very little miracles. He might be a good person, he might have a good intention, but if you want the truth, I am just telling you the truth.
We would love for him to recognize this and to see that he has not fulfilled the prophecies. He did not open the Seven Seals. He is not from the Tribe of Judah. How can he be the Messiah? He cannot be.
Shrii Krishna Shanti [text]: I will tell him next time I meet him.
Maitreya: OK, sure, send him an email. Go to him, and let them recognize and realize that there is more than just teaching Hinduism and adding a little bit to it. Compare with what he is teaching and what we teach here.
Comment [text]: Jesus never said he was god, only the Son of God.
Maitreya: He also said that you are god. You are god and can be god too. And he also said, Me and the Father are One. What does that mean, Me and the Father are One? It means, Me and the Father are One, we are the same person.
Prophet Muhammad said a similar thing, that, Whatever the Prophet says, listen to him. His word is My Word. That means, Me and the Father are One. Me and God are One. So even Prophet Muhammed got it. He said the same thing Christ said.
So are we. What we said in this Mission and in conversations and Satsangs is from God. Those are the Words that you have to hang onto very dearly.
Shrii Krishna Shanti [text]: Who is the biggest Avatar? Sai Baba?
Maitreya: Well, we leave you – if you want to follow Sai Baba, we leave you to God and we leave you to your understanding, but go and read the Scriptures, compare the teachings, and the Revelation, and the prophecies, and everything, and if your conclusion still is that, so be it!
We are not here to convert you; you are here to convert yourself. If you do not want to convert yourself, then we can do nothing about it. I am here just to convey this message and the truth. I am not here to argue and be unhappy with you but I am just saying that is what it is [reading from text].
Go compare. Go see our teaching. Do not be attached to the Prophet, the Avatars, even the Messiah. Seek the truth and the Word of God, not the personality. If you get attached to the personality, then you are a cult member, then you are cult material.
Go beyond the personality to the Word of God and see, What did He say in the Scriptures? Did He say that someone is going to come from no where and say, Well, I just made some ashes and therefore I am the Avatar of the promised coming, or he said, No, he will fulfill the prophecies, He is from the Tribe of Judah, He will open the Seven Seals. He is the One. Do not make a mistake.
Do not go and get attached to the human body but become attached to the Word of God. He who reveals the Word of God, fulfills the prophecies, and fulfills all the things that have been said about his coming, then you can accept that but even then, test the Spirit. Of course, after testing the spirit, you saw the Vision, you saw the truth, come and serve God’s Words and God’s Kingdom in a deeper level.
Question: Who are the Messengers of the past?
Maitreya: The Messengers of the past are all the ones who fulfilled the prophecies and came to man. They are: Baba, they are Bab. They are Muhammad. They are Christ. They are all the Prophets of the Old Testament, and they are the Prophets that have come to India to further their teachings and their understandings, like Krishna, like Buddha, like Shiva, and all the rest that have come to bring the truth to humanity that, We are a part of God, God is everything, there is no separation between us and God.
But man failed before 12,000 years ago. His third eye was closed then, and history was created. Now this teaching of the Mission of Maitreya explains what happened the last 12,000 years, how He sent all these revelations separately, and now He has unified them together for humanity.
Therefore, it is the culmination of this Revelation and the truth. Now it has been unified all together, and now we are here to invite you to come to this room, talk to us about why what we say is the truth, and why there is no other truth on earth that can be accepted as the truth but this one because it has been prophesied to come and be revealed to humanity, and now we are here to guide you to this truth.
We are not here to guide you to me, and make you attached to my body, and make you go to the bliss of the ego but the Bliss of God. And the Bliss of God is in the Word of God, it is not in the body of God, it is not in a person, it is not anything that has material attributes which is not the ultimate.
Therefore, we guide you to the ultimate. It is revealed to you the Name of God, which cannot be pronounced by humanity.
That is what the Baha’is are waiting for, the Revealer of the third part of the Word of God or the Name of God. Therefore we can see from the fulfillment of the prophecies and the amount of the truth that has come through this Revelation, is amazing. Therefore, again we invite you to check it out [reading from text].
Unity19 [text]: … Adam, Noah, Abraham, Bab, Jesus, Christ, Muhammad, Baha’u’llah …
Maitreya: Well, actually the correct Prophet of the Baha’i teaching was Bab, and really they should have followed Bab. Baha’u’llah does not mean, “The Glory of God.”
“Jallal'u'llah” means “The Glory of God.” Baha’u’llah was chosen to bring the teaching to the West, and that was his most significant attribute to do God’s Work, because if he had not brought it to the West, Subi Azel, who really was chosen by Bab to take over the organization, was not a very effective person. Therefore, God chose Baha’u’llah who was a brother of Subi Azel, to bring it to the West.
So if you read about the Baha’i teaching and understanding, the Baha’i teaching, that was the purpose of Baha’u’llah and when, of course, they have no Guardian any more and if they do not have a Guardian, that religion is no longer valid according to their own Prophet and teachers. The Baha’is should also realize this in a deeper level. Bab was the Messenger of the Baha’i Faith [reading text].
Alright, the text is going very fast, and I cannot see what was the question.
Question [text]: Baha’u’llah brought his own teaching, didn’t he?
Maitreya: No, he really continued Bab’s teachings and of course he added something. He tried to … according to the Word of God in the Scriptures, it was not perfect, like the 19 months, actually it goes against the Word of God which is that the year should be divided into 12 months. Many things Bab brought were not perfect, that is why God said this revelation was not perfect. Baha’u’llah tried to perfect it, correct it, and, of course, he brought new things.
Actually Bab’s teaching was very strict and very militant. That is why his followers started fighting with the Persian empire, the Persian kings, and that is why many of them were murdered. They were martyred because many of them were very militant people and they followed Bab and what Bab said, and that is why they were killed. They were almost obliterated. If Baha’u’llah had not changed things to a more peaceful way and brought his teaching to the West, which is the universalism, so, he really didn’t teach much differently than what Bab said.
So we can see that – every religion also are a part of our Revelation, they have something to learn. It is just like the Moslems should learn that Prophet Muhammad was not the last Prophet. God said He was going to send them more Prophets.
Christians should learn that Christ is the only way, but he came many times and he will come after Christ. Baha’is have to realize his teachings and this understanding that Bab was the Prophet and the founder of the Babis and the Baha’i’s teaching, and they should really recognize and realize who he was. His teaching was not perfect and therefore although they did say he was the truth, he was not the Seventh Seal.
There is no teaching that is perfect until the Seventh Angel comes and brings the Seventh Seal and opens the Seventh Seal. Then the whole explanation is explained to humanity. It is just like Jews have to realize that when Christ came and he said, The Kingdom of Heaven will be taken away from you and given to another people, that was the end of their mission and being chosen people.
Hindus and Buddhists have to learn that yes, the Bible, Koran, and other things have to perfect their religion, which say that you just go to God and just like a drop you go to the ocean and you become One with God. But there is more into it, God sent all these revelations, all these explanations, and there is a Path.
All of these religions are a part of this Path, but none of them are perfect because they all have to wait until the Seventh Revelation is revealed to humanity and then they recognize and realize, Yes, we are each a part of the Seven Seals and revelations, and that is how God said eventually, with all these, He is going to unify.
If they receive the truth and overcome their attachments to their religions, and when they overcome their attachments to their religions, they now can see clearly. They no longer are Hindu, they no longer are Buddhists, they no longer are Christian or Jews or Moslems or Baha’is, but they become Divines. They are in the Eternal Divine Path, and they recognize and realize the Word of God in a much deeper level than has ever been revealed to humanity.
Therefore, this teaching is the only way for human salvation to bring the Kingdom Of Heaven On Earth, to bring peace on earth for 1,000 years, to let people come to the point that they can meditate. They can awaken their spiritual forces. They can realize God. They can know that they really are god, not just an intellectual understanding but God is more in them than they themselves, and what they think they are, is really an illusion.
But the God that comes through them is the true Reality of the being and therefore they can progress, and in a thousand years we can have millions and billions of humans who will go to God and become One with Him.
We have to forget about our dogmas, and our cultural misunderstandings of our religions and dogmatic beliefs. We have to go to the Word of God, to read, What did He say? And there is no where on earth that the Word of God is explained exactly the way He meant it but this Revelation and this teaching. It explains why each of these religions are a part of a greater truth [reading text].
Comment [text]: The Seven Seals are not the Vedas.
Maitreya: Yes, that is true. That is another thing, if you are a Hindu or a Buddhist, of course the Seven Seals are not a part of your religion. You have to understand that, that is a part of God’s Plan, therefore it is a part of your plan [reading text].
If you really want the truth, you have to put effort and with open mind, study this new Revelation. But if you want to feel you are right, but you are not interested in the truth, then you can blurt out all the dogmas you want. We have heard all the dogmas. We know every religion’s dogmas. We know Buddhist dogma, we know Hindu dogma, we know Jewish dogma, Christian dogma, Moslem dogma, Baha’i dogma, they are all man-made. These are not the Word of God.
The Word of God is clearly in the Scriptures and is explained in THOTH. Therefore, if you really want to know the truth of God’s Words, you have to overcome your understanding and what the preacher is telling you that you have to follow and understand in a deeper level the Word of God.
That is why we are looking for the Elects, for the people who see this Vision, they see the prophecies, they see the truth, and they do not argue who is better and who is not. We are not here to say Sai Baba is a false prophet or not, or the Baha’is are wrong. We are just telling you what the Word of God says in the Scriptures, and when you hear that, then you go and study yourself, and you will see that we are saying the truth.
Then come and join, and let us create the Communities of Light. Let us create the Facilitating Body, and let us bring the Kingdom Of God On Earth. And then let us humble ourselves in front of God and let us be seekers of the truth. Then you will see that what we say is the truth.
OK, again, welcome to the Mission of Maitreya’s Conversation Room. If you have any question for me, and ahead and type it or come and raise your hand, and we can talk about all the religions. [reading text]
It does not matter what you want to do, if you do not want to humble yourself and go to God, that is fine, don’t. But you will not receive the Grace and Blessing of the deeper understanding of God. [reading from text]
Shrii Prasada [text]: No, absolutely not. I don’t wish to argue, but I have always been attracted to being called Maitreya, ….
Maitreya: Well, Shrii Prasad, it can be that if you have been guided to go to our website, then you have to be more open to this teaching.
Shrii Prasada [text]: I want to know, is this the same Maitreya as was with me at a young age?
Maitreya: Well, God works in mysterious ways, Shrii Prasada, and he probably has guided you to this Revelation. The most important thing is that you study and see the Vision, and see if it is from God or not. You are still tempting God to further clarify something for you to do which clearly has come from God to you.
Therefore, it is just like Christ was tempted to drop himself from the temple and God would save him, but he said you should not tempt God. You just should go with every word that comes out of his mouth and the way we are guided. See if this teaching is based on the Word of God. See if it fulfills the prophecies. See if it is from God and then accept that God indeed has guided you.
Shrii Prasada [text]: I just feel that there is too much dogma in this teaching.
Maitreya: What is the dogma in this teaching? There is only a Path that you follow. Just forget about the whole thing I explained. It is a Path that you either follow the Path, or you do not. There is no dogma in the Path.
The rest are explanations. When we talk about the Messiah, that is an explanation in the Scriptures, that is how the Scriptures explain that is what the Messiah is.
Shrii Prasada [text]: That there is only you and no one else ….
Maitreya: That is in the Scriptures. That is the Word of God. As a person, I suppose you have a Hindu background or was at least attracted to the Hindu teaching. That is the difference between the words in the Scriptures and having thousands of gods and gurus and all that which brings such a confusion to Hinduism.
Of course, the highest level of Hinduism are the Upanishads and the Bhavagad-Gita which does not talk about any of these but talks about Atman, which is the same as God; Atman, you and God are One; your self and God are One. That is the highest realization of Hinduism. If you understand that, then you have a good grip on Hinduism.
The rest is a lot of adding to it, and actually Buddha came to destroy these additions to Hinduism. That is why he said, Do not worry about God, just meditate and know thyself and reach Nirvana or Pure Consciousness. He was telling them, it is not that he believed there is no God, but he believed having so many gods can confuse you.
Buddha said, just forget about them, and just meditate and know thyself, because he knew by knowing thyself, you will know God and Oneness with God. And he was showing the path of going away from that teaching of disunity and confusion.
So we can see that you have to overcome this understanding that there are going to be many gurus, many Avatars, and many gods, and for the Scriptures, go to The Revelation, chapter 5. It is only the branch of the tribe of Judah who will be able to open the Seven Seals and the Book which is Sealed with the Seven Seals. That is why God has guided you to here, and that is what you have to understand and follow.
It is up to you. It is between you and God. If God guided you here, you will have no choice to see the truth clearly. If clearly you were guided here from God, then you will see it very, very clearly and you will teach all the Hindus, Buddhists, and everyone that, Yes, everything is God, you can look at everything as a part of God but God’s Revelation and a Mouthpiece comes from only One person, Prophet Muhammad, Christ, Bab, Abraham, Baba.
There are not two Messiahs or three Messiahs, ten Messiahs. There is only one Messiah, one person who is the Mouthpiece of God. This is not an ego trip that I am saying, “I am the only person you should hear,” but that is the Word of God [reading from text].
Comment [text]: Sai Baba does not say he is the Messiah. He says that he is everything.
Maitreya: Sure, well, I can claim anything I want but if he is everything, then he should have brought the peace on earth already and he should have performed greater miracles than he has. Therefore, that is fine. He can claim everything, but it is not based on the Word of God and the Scriptures.
That is what I am trying to tell you, that you have to go with the Word of God, not with the word of man, who claimed to be something. And of course, God is Everything, that probably is what he is referring to, because he says, “He is God, therefore he is everything.”
But the true God that is everything is Formless, Invisible, Nameless, and Eternal. He has sent the Scriptures. He has sent Christ. He has sent the teachings, and he has fulfilled the prophecies. So we can see that, I do not know why you are so attached to Sai Baba. If that guided you to maitreya.org, that is OK. These are the things you have to meditate on yourself, overcome, and see, What is the truth? [reading from text]
What does that mean, “He regained Daharma?” Daharma is the innate nature of every man. That is what all the Prophets have brought to humanity and told them, “Know thyself.” Know who you are, why you have been sent to this body and life, OK?
So then you will see that every Prophet has said that, but … [reading from text]
Comment [text]: People are already following their Daharma and all of them know who they are, and they manifest their truth in them.
Maitreya: Think about these things. Think about them in a deeper level.
God’s Plan is different than what you are saying. These are all just words, the words that are not based on the Scriptures, not based on the Word of God. They are the words of a man, who is saying these things but where? Where is the Daharma restored? How did they regain the Daharma? [reading from text]
Comment [text]: According to the Bejamin Crème teaching, and I was not so believing it.
Maitreya: No, you should not believe Bejamin Crème and Benjamin Crème was a forerunner for the coming of Maitreya. It is just like John the Baptist, who did not believe that Christ came, and therefore he made a mistake. He could not recognize that God had come in the form of Christ, and now we know that he did not recognize Him but when Christ came.
Yes, Mr. Crème came and said that Maitreya is going to come in 1982. We reached out in 1982, in the spring of 1982 with this Mission, and we revealed this Revelation to humanity exactly when he said it would come, and then he did not recognize it when it came.
So we can see the similarity there also, the Scriptures do not teach hierarchy, the Scriptures do not teach that somebody is going to build their body and they are going to come. The Scriptures do not teach any of what Benjamin Crème said.
The Scriptures say that his Prophets and Messiahs are men, regular men. They are born from a mother, they are raised, and then they eventually recognize their Mission and they bring it to humanity. It has never happened before. No Prophet came from the sky. No Prophet built his body. No Messiah did what the humans believe is based on.
So we can see that we have to be discerning. We have to think deeper. We have to take the word of the people and meditate on them, “Is this really based on the Word of God? Is it really how God says these things are going to happen?” And then, read THOTH and then you will receive your answers in a greater degree.
Then you will have a good grip on the reality of the Word of God. God is never going to send anyone from the sky where people are going to be lifted up from their cars and homes, go to the sky, and meet him in the clouds, which actually means confusion. It does not mean the real clouds.
God will not come and build a body, and come to earth and say, I am going to change everything overnight and overshadow everybody and the next day, everything is going to be OK. He has been saying these things for the last 25-years. It has not happened.
Now we can see that the Word of God clearly says the person who comes will fulfill the prophecies. He will be from the branch of the Tribe of Judah. He even opened the Seven Seals, the Book Sealed With the Seven Seals. No other Prophet ever claimed that they have opened the Seven Seals. No one! None of them! Even Prophet Muhammad did not say that he had opened the Seven Seals.
So we can see, you have to be discerning. You have to be sincere in seeking God, not serious, but sincere. Be sincere in your life. Be sincere in your meditation. Be sincere in your search for God. [reads something in text].
Well, no, neither do I. I don’t believe in that either, this overshadowing and all that Shrii Prasada says. That is exactly, you have to be very discerning because some people have a little truth, and a lot of untruth. If you have a lot of truth, and a little untruth even, therefore, they are the false teachers.
They are the people who misguide humanity. There is nothing worse than having a little knowledge and believing that you know the truth. Those are the people who will divide and teach wrongly to humanity.
The teaching in THOTH and our teaching explains exactly what is in the Scriptures. It is not based on the believing in the preachers. It is not based on what the mullahs say. It is not based on what the rabbis say. It is based on the Word of God, and that is what all of us should do. We should know the Word of God and say, “What you believe is based on the Word of God.”
And the Word of God, of course, are in the Scriptures. He has sent them, and now these Scriptures all have been purified in their essence. Of course, not all of the parts of the Bible are from God. Not all the Koran is from God. None of them have been revealed to the Prophet who put them down, supervised their typing, and have been brought to you in the purest form. Even in my teaching, there have been people that really tried hard to change it according to what they understand.
We had to purify them and say, “No,” to them, but the purest Revelation of God has surely come to humanity, and I am pretty certain and sure what we have in the website and what we have offered to humanity is the purest form.
All the Hindus, all the Buddhists, all the Mystical Paths, Jews, Christians, Moslems, Baha’is, all should come and see and understand these teachings and give up their dogmas and their own understandings, and submit to God and His Will.
That is the message of this Mission. There is no other truth that is comparable with this truth. There is no other religion or teaching which has the whole truth and is so purified and so revealed to humanity in the purest form.
Therefore, it is again an invitation to all of you to go and seek the truth, the Word of God. Read the Scriptures. Compare the Scriptures that we have with the Word of God [reading from text].
Question [text]: How can you dismiss the messenger?
Maitreya: We do not dismiss any Messenger or the Prophet of God. We accept all of them, but none of them have the whole truth until the Seventh Angel comes. That is the Word of God, and if you go to the Scriptures, to The Revelation, there is no revelation that is perfect or explains the Mystery of God until the Seventh Angel comes.
It is in chapter 10, verse 7 in The Revelation. Every time the Seventh Angel comes, it says, “It is done,” it is finished, it is revealed, it is perfected. Now the religion of humanity is perfected and the truth has been revealed to them in the most perfect way than ever before. No other Prophet before It had the whole truth.
They had a mission to do. They each brought a part of a greater truth. They brought a part of the Revelation of God. They brought a part of the Eternal Divine Path.
Now the Eternal Divine Path is revealed to humanity in a very clear and concise manner, and now you can see the truth. We accept and believe in all the Prophets before this Revelation, but at the same time we explain where they fall into God’s Plan. None of them, no Prophet ever to this point, had the whole truth.
Therefore, we have to overcome our dogmas and understanding, and therefore we have to overcome our understanding and recognize and realize what God said.
Question [text]: What protection do you have to keep the writing safe?
Maitreya: Alright the question is, how can we keep this writing safe and not let everybody change it?
The things all have been taken care of. Eventually we will have a Revelation that still stays pure. Of course, the human loves competition. The human loves their own words. The human loves positions. The human loves a lot of things that are related to ego.
We are looking for the people who are no longer human, but they are sons of God, or at least they are close to the sons of God. They are the Elects, they have all overcome being human and having all these tendencies.
Question [text]: So the writing of Baha’u’llah was not even from Baha’u’llah?
Maitreya: No, Baha’u’llah wrote what he understood, but he also gave a lot of writings to his secretary to be thrown into the river because he said humanity is not ready for it. Therefore, he did not reveal everything. If he gave his writings to his secretary to throw away into the river, it means there was more he realized humans are not ready to receive.
Therefore Baha’u’llah did write beautiful words and beautiful things. His melodic and beautiful words are inspiring, and we recommend people read them, but at the same time understand that the true Prophet of the Baha’i Faith was Bab.
We even cannot find the Bayan. We are looking for a Bayan, or the Persian Bayan, or an Arabic Bayan, or anything, and apparently it was absolutely obliterated. If anyone has an original Bayan here, we would love to have a copy of it to read what exactly was in the Bayan.
If anybody can find the Bayan, let us know. Send an email to: Bayan@maitreya.org. We are looking for that book. So somehow there was some systematical way to destroy them, or something, that we cannot find that book.
Question [text]: What about the Koran?
Maitreya: The Koran also has not been written at the time of Prophet Muhammad. It was learned by the “word of mouth,” and it was memorized by special people who could memorize what Prophet Muhammed said. After Prophet Muhammad died, in a war in Yemen, many of the people who knew the Koran were killed. The leaders of the Moslems realized that they if they do not gather the verses of the Koran, it might be completely lost.
Then when they started asking the people who memorized it, they realized that each of them had a different idea of what the quotes were, and therefore there were many different versions of the quotes of the revelation of the Koran.
Actually two Korans eventually emerged from this event, two different versions, and there was a great fight between these two groups of Moslems about which one is the correct Word of God? Eventually the Calipha or the leader of the Moslems chose one of them and said that everybody else should follow and accept that. And that became the official Koran that now everybody says is perfect, it is from the Word of God, and there is no human influence in it.
So we can see from this, that even the Koran was influenced by human understanding, and there were many verses of the Koran. They could not come up with the exact verses are they were. Even later, after they gathered all the verses that they thought they gathered, they realized that there are other people that they could make new verses that they heard that Prophet Muhammad said.
So some verses are even not in the Koran because they did not make it by the time they accepted that last version of the Koran. So we can see that even the Koran is not perfect, and the only Revelation that came to humanity that was written by the Prophet, put it together, and supervised to this point is THOTH.
Question [text]: Was it you in Nairobi, Kenya, 1988?
Maitreya: It does not matter, does it? The most important thing is if my teaching is correct or not. That is what you have to concentrate on, the teaching, the Word of God, not the Prophet Himself.
I am at the end of my time, OK. I have received many questions and of course, only one voice question. And of course, the person who asked the voice question was a person who has been involved already. So we cannot let him say the things he said in text probably.
And I leave all of you, everybody, to God and think about these words and Revelation and this truth. Study the website again, read THOTH, and see how wonderful this Revelation is, how true it is, how it explains everything you need to know. Overcome your own understanding, go and understand God’s Revelation and Words.
Sal-Om everybody. God be with you. See you next week.